Hi Tom (and anyone else who will see this), My name is Mike House and my son and I both enjoy the CSN tour immensely even though we have just recently started playing. However, I have been playing Mean18 on and off for quite some time and have always enjoyed creating courses with the Architecture program. So, I have uploaded a course for your perusal which I think you'll find both fun and challenging to play. It is not some thrown together course but is, in fact, a course which was developed using considerable time. With an eye for detail, greens as well as fairways (and the important quality of distance from the tee, accuracy, etc.) have painstakingly been edited and re-edited and re-edited and tested. Well, enough of the commer- cial, I'll just let you try it for yourself and let me know if there are any redeeming qualities to it. Name of Course: Haymarket Hills Par Out: 35 Par In: 37 Total: 72 Length from Pro Tees: Out - 3,237; In - 3,640; Total - 6,877 Length from Reg Tees: Out - 2,898; In - 3,158; Total - 6,056 Method of construction: The entire course is completely my creation from scratch using the CSN "Empty.m18" as a starting point. I did in fact, begin to design from memory a local course which is called Prince William County Public Course near Vint Hills, Virginia (about 35 minutes from where I live). However, any resemblance, other than the "shell" of the course, is completely random since I had only my memory to go on, with no knowledge of the actual placing of traps and trees and water. To be more exact, for example, the PWCPC has NO fairway traps and 28 green-traps. You'll see that bears no similarity whatsoever to the course I created. The PWCPC has some water hazards on it; not nearly to the extent that I have inflicted upon Haymarket Hills. Even the par is different, as at PWCPC the par is 34-36-70. The blue tees at PWPC are 6404 in distance, mine 6877. White at PWCPC is 6114, mine 6056 (coincidentally close). NOTE: I only went into detail about the PWCPC simply because it was the seed of the idea in my head; I made no conscience effort to "create" the PWCPC...for one thing, it is too easy. HAYMARKET HILLS: The course gets tougher as you go along. The back nine is considerably longer (and harder, I think) than the front 9. However, do not be deceived by this course. There are hazards and disasters at many places just waiting to be discovered. I won't give you a hole by hole description unless you request one (I'll be happy to do it -- I even name my golf holes), but I do want to point out that several of the holes are extremely deceptive. I trust that the course experts/testers will play like everyday duffers during the test to see the problems an ordinary golfer can run into on the course. I imagine too that the testers will play at the professional strength to see how the course stands up to top-notch play. I think either way, you'll enjoy it. The course in general demands accurate tee shots (not a great deal of wide fairways) and water enough from the tee to get you in trouble. There are a couple of extremely challenging holes that make the golfer make a decision on which club to use -- lay up, or blast away. The greens are meticulously designed to create problems on bad shots and rewards for close pin accuracy. A couple of holes in particular beg for a bit of description: No. 6: Miniscule green, but as a par 3, fair but demanding! No. 9: Perhaps my favorite; the golfer CAN reach the green via a short cut through the forest...but, oh my, at what a price if he misses. It can be done, I've been lucky enough to do it once; however, the recommended poison is the long way around (heh, heh). No. 16: A kamikaze hole if ever there was one. Do you lay up with a 4 iron or do you bonsai it with a "smashed" driver? Choice is yours, but if you choose the latter, you'd better be deadly accurate! No. 18: Tough finishing hole...maybe you'd better lay up off the tee and let your 2nd shot do the talking...well, you COULD blast away onto the path...nah, that water there...but there IS the rough, too, to consider..geez, what'll I do? Anyway, just having a little fun, there. Those are some of my favorite holes but all of them have a little bit of me in them. How about No. 4, Haymarket Misery it's called...No. 3, the Dogbone Hole...oh, well, you'll get the picture as you play the course. I considered calling Hole 7 the Cross Your Heart hole...but what do you think (I'm trusting the testing committee has a sense of humor, here). To recap, we have extremely long holes (608 yd, par 5, 12th) to extremely short holes (109 yd, par 3, 4th). We have huge greens, moderate greens and one tiny little sucker. We have flat greens and rolllllling greens. We've got enough sand and water for a beach. We've got ... oh, a heckuva lot of fun. Enjoy the course and let me know what you think. Hole 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 OUT Par 4 4 4 3 4 3 4 4 5 35 Pro 348 459 435 109 374 188 434 348 540 3,237 Reg 324 390 410 95 323 157 388 301 510 2,898 Hole 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 IN Par 4 3 5 5 3 4 4 4 5 37 Pro 382 178 608 539 201 427 425 397 483 3,640 Reg 350 137 521 463 168 388 385 345 401 3,158 Incidentally, these are the distances from the tee as shown on the hole when you are actually playing the round. I have noticed, that on some occasions, for some strange reason, the distance from the tee as shown on the architecture screen is not always exactly representative of the playing distance. Anyway, folks, that is it. The CRC hex number for this course as uploaded is 99DE(H), so at least you can make sure you got what I sent. Looking forward to hearing from you, Mike House