Category 25, Topic 21 Message 45 Sun Dec 01, 1991 M.LEGG2 at 01:38 EST Hello EOB fans! My name is Michael Legg and I am a programmer / designer for Westwood Associates. I am happy to say that I just solved "EOB 2: The Legend of Darkmoon". We have put a large amount of time and work into the programming, design, story, game play, art, and music into this one--and I'm sure that you will not be disappointed! Everyone in our company who has spent endless weekend nights play-testing it are completely addicted. Keep an "Eye" out for it very soon, and please send me any comments and criticisms when you play it! Have fun! -Mike Category 25, Topic 21 Message 76 Fri Dec 20, 1991 RLMCDONALD at 00:29 EST I got EOBII today and am having a great time with it. I transfered my characters frim EOBI, didn't have any problem. There are new monsters and spells, seems the monsters are harder to kill. I'm having fun terminating endless Skeletal Lords. Only have one Dark Moon key and I need more but am having trouble finding more. I got the one where you have to kill a bizillion SLs. Off to kill more creatures, wait till I catch up to that thief, Ron ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 77 Fri Dec 20, 1991 D.SAVALLI at 00:47 EST I finally have all the horns, and now I'm stuck. Am I supposed to go up or down from the ant level. I cant find any stairs lower than that. Also is there a way to fight whatever it is that is making those scratches in the walls, I can't get in those open pieces of wall with the tar like stuff in front of them. Great game so far. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 78 Fri Dec 20, 1991 WINTIR at 00:58 EST Well, the games on the shelves!! The graphics look a lot more fun. And the beasties promise to keep us busy for a little while. Now, why do I feel locked into a temple!!! Mark ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 79 Fri Dec 20, 1991 A.LANGE2 at 03:59 EST I have found San-Raal and like his style, especially the ID spell. However, he needs his own spellbook. Is there one nearby, or should I have brought a spare from EOB1 ? ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 80 Fri Dec 20, 1991 ORION.MICRO at 10:32 EST I stopped by Babbage's last nite and picked it up - WOW! The graphics are really nice (especially the opening scenario). Since I had a hard disk crash a couple of months ago and lost my EOB I chars, I started with a freshly rolled party -- now I'm practicing dying consistently . What kind of party did you all start out with? I'm running a Dwarf Fighter, Human Paladin, Half-Elf Mage/Cleric, and a Half-Elf Cleric. From the looks of what's been going on so far, I may need to change my party members . Good job, SSI! Keith ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 81 Fri Dec 20, 1991 RLMCDONALD at 18:40 EST A.LANGE2, you will find a spell book where you find the second darkmoon key. There is also an ankh if you got the dwarven cleric instead of the elf mage. With six save slots, I'm play two games, one with the elf and one with the dwarf. I imported my characters from EOB I, a dwarf fighter, a paladin, elf mage and half-elf cleric. My paladin isn't hitting on much, wish I would of imported another fighter. Well, back to the nightmare level. Wait till I meet up with that thief. Ron ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 82 Fri Dec 20, 1991 R.SANDERS18 [Rob Sanders] at 19:13 EST Did anyone find a way into the temple without hacking up the clerics at the front door? That may be the only way in, but in a party of good characters it isn't very satisfying... ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 83 Fri Dec 20, 1991 M.WYMAN1 [COMANCHE] at 19:24 EST I agree about hacking the clerics. Gee, if my Paladin gets pissed at digging up graves then he sure should get pissed at attacking clerics in their own temple. Still killing those zillion skelton lords. Beside the above problem, the story seems good. COMANCHE ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 84 Fri Dec 20, 1991 SCORPIA at 20:21 EST I brought over my original party from EOB I, and the transfer went quite well...we even got to keep all the good stuff, like the halberd+5 and the sword+5, etc. Just spent some time walking around the woods, bashing wolves and looking for anything interesting (aside from Darkmoon). Found some stairs down that led to rotten food and leather armor. Looked at the walls down there a long time, hoping to find a secret way into the temple. Would rather not have to fight those clerics at the door...not a GOOD way to get started! Best, - Scorpia ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 85 Fri Dec 20, 1991 RLMCDONALD at 21:35 EST Don't worry about those clerics, they aren't really very nice anyway. Now if I can figure out the nightmare level, getting tired without sleep. Wait til I get my hands on that thief. Ron ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 86 Fri Dec 20, 1991 R.SANDERS18 [Rob Sanders] at 21:44 EST I stared at those walls a while too, just in case I passed a secret door the game didn't tell me about (I LOVE that feature - sure would have made EOB I easier, or at least less time consuming...) ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 87 Fri Dec 20, 1991 SANDMAN [Henry] at 22:13 EST How about purging the messages prior to the game's release? That seemed to be a good idea in the past, Scorp. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 88 Fri Dec 20, 1991 BLUE.GHOST at 23:11 EST M.LEGG2, just what's the deal with the never ending Skeletal Lords in the catacombs? Has anyone gotten by them once in the room to pick up the goodies in there? Ghost ~~~~~ ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 89 Fri Dec 20, 1991 A.LANGE2 at 23:38 EST Ron- I found the elf mage, but didn't see a dwarf cleric yet. I DID free a dwarf, but he went home immediately to warn his people. I tried all sorts to avoid the clerics, running, closing the door, had to kill them. I noticed they regenerate many times if you go back there. For the Skeleton Lords, I tossed some Ice storms and backed into a doorway. I am on the level where you can't rest, TOUGH area. I have found 1 button so far that my people didn't mention. Gave me something in an alcove, can't recall what. Alan ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 90 Sat Dec 21, 1991 A.LANGE2 [Alan D.L.] at 00:51 EST Adding to previous message, I have found several buttons my characters did not comment on. 1 of the buttons gave me the "stone" gem. FINALLY got some rest . Question- what is the magic powder good for? Alan ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 91 Sat Dec 21, 1991 VANDER-JACK at 01:29 EST Folks, What god do the clerics of this temple worship? If it's an evil deity, then the paladin's dilemma isn't as difficult as it may have been. I'm still waiting for the game, but I'm hoping it will arrive on Monday, before I leave town for a few days. :) Jack ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 92 Sat Dec 21, 1991 RLMCDONALD at 10:27 EST Alan, the dwarf asked to join my party, he is a cleric, which is good since I'm on the level without rest. I also have the Elf bones I can use at a latter date. I have only found one button, and that just turned off a spinner. Did find an illusionary wall, battled some ants and got one moon key, solved the 3x3 room, killed what seem like a thousand margoyles, but didn't find anything. I know there must be something back there, must be overlooking something. Back looking for buttons and walls, and that thief. Ron ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 93 Sat Dec 21, 1991 W.GRAVES2 [rus/aus] at 11:26 EST HELP !!!!! I too am stuck on the nightmare level. Found the button that turns off the spinners but no others. Completed (?) the ant level but cannot solve the 3x3 pressure plate room. Boy, I need some REST. Wig ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 94 Sat Dec 21, 1991 A.MALY at 12:07 EST I too cannot decipher: The Writings Read "You must leave many things behind. Blue Ghost - Don't take them head on. A. Lange - As was mentioned, the Dwarf will join your party. I had to back up and not do something I had done previously. P.S. Don't go to sleep. Enjoying the game tremendously. Obviously, all of you who have it are too. Last note this message, please don't be too obvious with the answer. But if it's really complex, please MAIL me the answer, so as not to necessarily spoil it for anyone else. Thanks, Ano. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 95 Sat Dec 21, 1991 RLMCDONALD at 12:55 EST You don't have to leave too many things behind, just 5 but they have to be in the right places. If you need to know the right places I'll E-mail them too you. I'm in the tower, let the dwarf cleric go and resurected the elf for more offensive power, really needed the extra cleric in the nightmare level. Ron ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 96 Sat Dec 21, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 13:25 EST Deep in the dungeon below darkkmoon, I am getting a divide error after I free the dwarven prisoner and find the elf bones in the cells! This divide error stops the game in its tracks! ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 97 Sat Dec 21, 1991 WINTIR at 14:01 EST Hmmm....I guess the best word would be HELP! Been running around the Temple, and am now in a 3x3 room with Skulls mounted on the walls in the corners with openings on the sections of wall between the skulls. Also in the middle of the room is a circle where when I probe there, it says the ground is soft. I've tried various things out of my packs, and even tried re- arranging the jewels I found in the openings, but no such luck leaving this room. I'd appreciate any help if possible. Mark ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 98 Sat Dec 21, 1991 D.SAVALLI at 14:55 EST Do you know what the mouth that asks for something of nature and the one that asks for something made of greed want, I don't seem to have what they need. Also where is the room with the soft ground. [D [D? ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 99 Sat Dec 21, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 16:34 EST Ok well I got past the divide error by using a different party! ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 100 Sat Dec 21, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 16:47 EST I am on level three where the blue moon doors, skeleton keys, and four fireball traps are found and I am not making any further progress. This is the floor with the endless skeletal lords.... Help! Where do I go from here? The reason why the paladin is not upset by killing the clerics in their own temple is that they were evil clerics. If you open the door to their quarters they will attack you anyhow!! You can never use elf bones at a later date. Elves cannot be resurected. Try it! Resurecting the elf did not work for me! ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 101 Sat Dec 21, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 18:13 EST Any suggestions concerning the level with infinite undead? ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 102 Sat Dec 21, 1991 S.SUTANTO at 18:35 EST I just bought the game yesterday, and keep running into "Divide Error" problem. This always occured when the enemy cleric cast "Hold Person" spell. My party is transfered from "EOB I", and I have both the dwarv cleric and elven mage in my party. Any info will be appreated, because right now the only way I can get around this is by making sure that the enemy cleric didn't get a chance to cast their spell. Like the game a lot though. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 103 Sat Dec 21, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 19:10 EST OK I figured out how to get off the level with the infinite undead (level 3 or four) now I need two spider keys and a dark moon key to proceed further on the you will not rest level.... Any suggestions? Al ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 104 Sat Dec 21, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 19:18 EST Any suggestions for the you can not leave or rest level below the infinite skeletal lords. I did manage to get off the level above thank you very much.... ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 105 Sat Dec 21, 1991 H.MESMAN [Howie] at 21:29 EST Al - since you just left the fireball trap/undead warrior level, could you PLEASE give me a hint on how you did it? I've already resurrected the elf (a level 8 mage) - the altar reached via the teleport on the ground floor of the temple didn;t seem to have any problems with raising him. Haven't seen a dwarf cleric yet. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 106 Sat Dec 21, 1991 W.GRAVES2 [rus/aus] at 21:35 EST Al - actually there are four spider and two moon keys. The moon keys are the hard ones to get...one is down with the ants and the other is behind the 3x3 plate room. WINTIR - I too am stuck in the room with the skeletons in the corners and the "soft" spot in the middle. Have you figured it out yet? ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 107 Sat Dec 21, 1991 A.MALY at 22:02 EST howie - try some fancy footwork. Ya gotta be quick. figured out my previous problem about leaving things behind. tried a different tactic, with the "You must believe in yourself" test. Wow! Still hasn't gotten me anywhere. Good luck everyone... Ano. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 108 Sat Dec 21, 1991 RLMCDONALD at 23:01 EST Al, check for illusionary walls on that level, you will find some keys to get you started, but that isn't all that is back there. On the trust yourself or whatever that guy says, I had to take two hits from those beams before I got through to the mantis. Barely made it, had to rest over 100 hrs. to recover. The elf bones and the drarf cleric are near each other, I don't think I could of made it through the nightmare level without two clerics. I let him go when I started in the temple, after I brought back the elf mage. Back to the temple. Ron ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 109 Sat Dec 21, 1991 A.LANGE2 [Alan D.L.] at 23:35 EST The "soft spot" room, you need to concentrate your resources, but choose which direction wisely, you can only gain from 1. Cryptic enough? Deep down below, guarded by Margoyles, is a "stone gem" to gate to the temple and rest a bit. I never got past the ants or found out what the tar spots are. For those of you who have reached the hall of mouths, what is nature's red gift and the glowing object from below? Thanks. Alan ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 110 Sat Dec 21, 1991 BLUE.GHOST at 23:44 EST Has anyone made it past the ant level? I found another way back up to the temple and some cursed meapons. Al, did you make it? M.LEGG2, you really made this a hard one, but a good hard one. What happen to the Bonus's? Ghost ~~~~~ ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 111 Sun Dec 22, 1991 WINTIR at 00:31 EST Blazes!! Finally figured out the soft ground room. NOW, after wandering the level with the 1st upper level of the temple looking for buttons or secret doors, as well as delving the dungeons, I can't find a 2nd BlackMoon key, nor the key for the red doorlock on the 1st level. The game was worth the wait, but I just can't stand not getting anywhere. Mark ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 112 Sun Dec 22, 1991 WINTIR at 00:44 EST Rus/Aus, Yeah, I finally made it out of that room with the soft spot. Took some experimenting, but I made it back to the temple. ANT Level?? Must be something I've missed. BTW, the door to the forest closed on me, and I can't get it open. Is there a trip switch anywhere around? Mark ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 113 Sun Dec 22, 1991 A.LANGE2 [Alan D.L.] at 01:55 EST Below the Margoyle level are ants. I never found a way further down. You can pass up the "red key" door and go upstairs another way. If you have the horns, go back to the beginning . I am now on the Beholder level. Have killed 3 so far. A nice variety of puzzles, riddles, and monsters. Question- is there a way to get in, destroy, or block the ant or wasp nests? And what were those tar spots down below? Were the scratches made by ants? Opinions? Alan ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 114 Sun Dec 22, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 02:44 EST Can anyone help? ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 115 Sun Dec 22, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 03:01 EST ghost (blue), no I have not mad it out of the margoyle/gelatinous cube level. Some say there is no way down from there just back up! ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 116 Sun Dec 22, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 03:58 EST Ok I found the secret door, 2 spyder keys, the room with 9 pressure plates and the portal on the margoyle/gelatinous cube level. Still confused about the pressure plates and I cannot find the portal key... Any help? ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 117 Sun Dec 22, 1991 J.THOMAS69 [Jeff Thomas] at 08:34 EST Al Giovetti: Concerning your 'divide error', did it occur on a party transferred from EOB I? Jeff T. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 118 Sun Dec 22, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 08:39 EST Hello everyone. Still stuck on the margoyle/gelatinous cube level. I found the room with the nine pressure plates, two spider keys and the portal. The third spider key goes down to the ant level. I still need the sequence in the 9 pressure plate room and the stone key for the portal (stone keys)? ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 119 Sun Dec 22, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 08:44 EST Jeff, the divide error occurred in a party transferred from EOB I, just like your divide error did. Perhaps the party had a lot of extra experience in the tens of millions like mine did? ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 120 Sun Dec 22, 1991 P.LEONTESCU2 [Overkill] at 09:50 EST I freed the dwarf but he didn't want to join my party. He just ran out without asking me to join... This was the one on the same level where I found the elf bones. Oh well... I guess I'll have to go on without him. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 121 Sun Dec 22, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 10:53 EST Jeff, more comments concerning the divide error. My second party was another save from EOB I. (I had 10 saves from EOB 1 by setting up a bat file routine for saves. When you booted the game with EOB1.bat it would first copy eobdata.sa1 to eobdata.sav. When you booted off the game it automatically copied eobdata.sav to eobdata.sa1. YOu use batch files for this process. You could use this process to have 60 save games or more for EOB II) Help guys, I have found one copper key while fooling around again on one level below the entrance to darkmoon. Managed to get into one of the doors above the entrance level. I still have not solved the 3x3 pressure plate room pattern or the location of the stone portal key. (e-mail help please)... I have found three stairways down from level one below the entrance to darkmoon (shall we call this level (- 1)?) to level (-2). On level (- 2) I have only found some small passageways (one with spiders, one dead end from a trap above and one that leads to the stairway down. Level (-3) is the endless skeletal lords level. Level (-4) is the margoyle/gelatinous cube level. Still need help, please e-mail! ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 122 Sun Dec 22, 1991 BLUE.GHOST at 11:34 EST Al, look at your mail! Scorpia, how are you doing (with the +5 weapons)? Ghost ~~~~~ ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 123 Sun Dec 22, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 11:54 EST Ok everyone, thanks! I found the stone portal (gem) key, another blue moon key and a lot of secret passages opened by buttons. I managed to get into the upstairs section with lots of priests and the weirdest keys you ever saw. I now have several copper keys. Hint keep killing the evil looking black statues, some hide some interesting developments! I must go back to map out where I am... Thanks for the help! Overkill: Yes apparently the dwarf only joins the party when something has been done above or whatever. I have done the dwarf section five times and he joined the party four out of five.... Sin Rall can be found in another cell as a complete set of elf bones. Sin can be resurected by a god's altar, if you catch my drift or was that a breese I felt that made me shiver.... ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 124 Sun Dec 22, 1991 SCORPIA at 13:03 EST Ghost, I haven't played much...just a little the other day...I have to finish Elvira II before I can really jump into this one. Al, millions of experience points? Hmm...my guys came over from EOB I at around 6th/7th level. When I get back to this one, will let you know if a divide by zero shows up or not. Best, - Scorpia ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 125 Sun Dec 22, 1991 A.LANGE2 [Alan D.L.] at 14:19 EST My party came over from EOB1 at level 9. Haven't had any trouble with my system. I have Disintigrate but not high enough level. Alan ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 126 Sun Dec 22, 1991 A.MALY at 15:27 EST Gee, nobody mentions Amber or Calandra. I guess I just like a parth excuse me, party full of women. About the soft spot room, is every thing that you need to solve the puzzle in the room? Ano. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 127 Sun Dec 22, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 16:10 EST I got to the "soft" spot 3x3 room with the skulls in the corners. I figured out how to get out of the room but one of the options has +3 plate mail and Lord James of Natingdale (only a partial skeleton). I have figured no way out of this eastern trap.... Any suggestions... I know that I must return downstairs again and attempt to go down to the ant level and search for the four horns and keys. I have been unable to open anymore doors and I have a skull key, an iron key, a blue moon key and a spider key.... oh well on with the quest... Well I solved the horn and key thing in the paragraph above before I posted this message. I have gotten past the test of faith (upstairs in darkmoon) and have met the second dwarf (fighter/cleric level 7/7), found the stairs up to the wasp level. Can you destoy the wasp nests? I have tried swords, polearms, fireballs and cone of cold (BTW: Spells do not seem to work against mantis eggs only hatched mantis! Mantis hatch without those nasty knives.) Of bones there are three that are the key? What does this mean and what does it refer to? Key to what? Nothing ventured nothing gained? What can be trusted? hmmmm..... ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 128 Sun Dec 22, 1991 BLUE.GHOST at 16:17 EST Ano.,I'm using Calandra, a good 9th level fighter. Haven't found Amber. I wish I had a fighter/thief in my first party, because I have one in another party I started and he can spot all the secret walls. How any horns do you need, is it 4 or 5? Al, nice hint. Did you break all the windows too. You have me breaking everything. Ghost ~~~~~ ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 129 Sun Dec 22, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 16:24 EST Scorp: My guys came over at 10th or 11th level and immediately went up a level... I have multi-classed half elves with high intelligence and piety....and some other characters humans...yech... How do you get dual-class humans in this one? Ano: everything is there in the "soft spot" room.... save and try different directions.... Please save one option is an inescapable trap... ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 130 Sun Dec 22, 1991 BLUE.GHOST at 16:56 EST Al, I didn't get to that clue yet. Your ahead of me now. I still need to find the soft room if I can get off Genie long enough. Ghost ~~~~~ ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 131 Sun Dec 22, 1991 R.SANDERS18 [Rob Sanders] at 16:57 EST I've gotten off the nightmare/ant levels with the horns, and then I keep getting slaughtered in the Test of Faith levels. Does that area seem to be the next logical step in the game? I'd hate to keep beating my head into these lightning traps if I've missed something... ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 132 Sun Dec 22, 1991 W.GRAVES2 [rus/aus] at 18:19 EST Well I'm two levels above the Wasps and I never found a way to destroy the nests. Too bad since I had to backtrack to get an item from below (to feed one of the hungry mouths) and almost lost it... They really multiply if you don't clean them out regularly. Anyway, has anyone figured out what to do in the area of the four keys and one door? Also, I found a second map (showing many false walls) but it does not line up with anywhere I have been. Wig ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 133 Sun Dec 22, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 18:30 EST I am now stuck in the room with the plaque that reads: "Faith is the Key." I have solved the magic mouth and the bones key and the other two riddles previously mentioned! ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 134 Sun Dec 22, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 19:01 EST blue.ghost: e-mail on the way r.sanders18: e-mail on the way w.graves2: How did you get above the wasps by two levels? Would have been nice to wipe out the nests. I do not like unlimited monster generators. I am trying to catch up with you so I can help! ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 135 Sun Dec 22, 1991 D.SAVALLI at 19:23 EST I need some help badly. I seem to be ahead of everyone, but I'll ask anyway. Has anyone gotten past the door that says you need the mark of Darkmoon, if so you can help me. I am way upstairs, and need to find the shell key. I have the crimson key and an amulet of life(I don't know if the amulet is important or not) any way I need to know if the shell key is somewhere in the area of all the fireball traps.Also is there a way to stop the wall that prevents you from entering the left side of one of the rooms? ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 136 Sun Dec 22, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 19:32 EST d.savali: why won't you help me with my problem? Maybee I will catch up to you and help you out?! I have not gotten past the door where you need the mark of darkmoon, I have not tried recently however! I will go back and try. I am on the wasp level, and I need help with the room with the four switches that open four pits and four doors... The plaque on the door reads: Faith is the key! ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 137 Sun Dec 22, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 20:22 EST Help..... I am on the wasp level.... I need help with the leap of faith on this level.... I also have found that the thief can pick some locks.... Try on the floor +1.... ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 138 Sun Dec 22, 1991 J.THOMAS69 [Jeff Thomas] at 21:43 EST Al: Nope, haven't gotten any divide errors, but my party wasn't in the "millions" of experience points. Don't look for assistance in this direction, I got hit with a flu just as I purchased this game, and wasn't able to start til Sat AM. As it is, I'm way behind most people. As it is, I've resurrected Amber and am now down 3 levels below the Temple's ground floor, hacking Skeleton Lords who apparently are breeding as fast as I can exterminate them. Jeff T. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 139 Sun Dec 22, 1991 P.LEONTESCU2 [Overkill] at 22:30 EST I need some help in the Nightmare level. I'm in the room where I have to leave many things behind. My guess is that I have to leave the things which are pictured on the stone door (in the next room). Am I right or not? If I am right, then so far I have the dagger, staff, necklace, and the ankh. I really don't want the complete answer but are the rest of the things on the previous levels or somewhere on the Nightmare or the ant level? I just want to know if I have to go back in order to get those things... Thanks for any help. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 140 Sun Dec 22, 1991 BLUE.GHOST at 22:49 EST Overkill, no just put any one thing on 5 plates. Sorry Al, I jumped the gun. I get 3 doors open and press the brick and I can not get the last door open. I just don't have the answer. Can someone help with (Faith is the key). E-mail me please. Blue.Ghost ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 141 Sun Dec 22, 1991 C.YANG6 [Jason Yang] at 22:51 EST Ok, after some intense playing (I'm on vacation right now), I'm pretty far ahead. I will try to answer some questions but since I rushing past this games so fast, my recollections are less than perfect. Al : Not all illusions are walls. Remember the scene from Indiana Jones III (the movie)? Savalli : I'm about where you are right now. I think the shell key is past the door by the three levers in the fireball traps area. I can't get past the moving wall as well. Wig : Can't recall where is the four keys-one door area you mentioned. What monsters are prevalent in that area? The map you found is for a level filled with beholders. Good luck! Any who can help : How do I get past the wall that keep moving to block you path? I've pretty much solved the rest of that level. Hey! Where exactly is that soft-spot puzzle any way? I've been pretty thorough in exploration but did not find that particular puzzle. Jason ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 142 Sun Dec 22, 1991 J.THOMAS69 [Jeff Thomas] at 23:11 EST Is THERE any end to these cursed Death Knights/Skeletons??? Is there some sort of generator being triggered whenever I step on a certain spot or something. Calandra says something about a "..thousand Death Knights.." and it looks as though she was speaking the literal truth. Jeff T. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 143 Sun Dec 22, 1991 W.GRAVES2 [rus/aus] at 23:14 EST To All "Faith is the Key" requesters...Get three doors open...Hit the brick...Then have a little "faith" at the last switch... I'm on the level with the Beholders and flying Fireballs...Nothing seems to work against them except cold steel (and a crystal hammer). Sure is tedious... Wig ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 144 Sun Dec 22, 1991 WINTIR at 23:15 EST Finally located the Ants, but haven't run across the secret button that allows access to the stone orb. I SURE could use a rest. Dontcha just love Gelatinous Cubes!! Mark ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 145 Sun Dec 22, 1991 L.HOLLANDSW1 [Mandrake] at 23:15 EST P. Leontescu2 -- A simple clue for "leave something behind" X marks the spots. Jason -- There seems to be two ways up to the Temple area. Either you teleport up or climb a lot of stairs back up. I've done both. If you don't climb the stairs you may miss the soft spot, at least for a while. Now, My problem -- I can't seem to figure out the soft spot room... It must be something simple... Help! ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 146 Sun Dec 22, 1991 L.HOLLANDSW1 [Mandrake] at 23:25 EST Jeff -- I do believe the Death Knights do finally run out. But it takes a long time. I stood behind the door near where they come from. I would then just open the door, and slam it shut if they are out there. But if they are not, then when they do appear, I hit them with cold spells, fireballs, electricity and anything else that travels more than one square, then slam the door shut before they can get to me. They eventually all died! Mark -- Stone Orb on the Ant Level? The only Stone I found was a Stone Gem and it was on the level above the Ants. Did I miss something? ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 147 Mon Dec 23, 1991 C.YANG6 [Jason Yang] at 01:57 EST Mandrake : I've found the soft spot room. There are potentially 4 exits to this particular room, but you can only open up one. Just mix all the colors. Jason ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 148 Mon Dec 23, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 03:37 EST Caught some sleep and now I am back. The second faith test was very hard, but finally worked it out the only way possible.... ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 149 Mon Dec 23, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 04:03 EST c.yang6: have you swatted all the black statues yet? wintir: look at your map and figure out where it must be. only about five choices and study the walls or check for illusions... I found no stone orb. p.leontescue2: In the softspot concentrate resources and plant a seed where the soil is best... Dont go east or you will fail the test. l.hollandsw1: The stone gem is right. I also found no stone orb! ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 150 Mon Dec 23, 1991 C.YANG6 [Jason Yang] at 04:22 EST HA! HA! HA! Finally gotten past that wall that keeps moving to block you. Sure was a good puzzle. A hint SAVALLI, you need something heavy in your inventory to effecto those pressure plates. Jason ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 151 Mon Dec 23, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 05:30 EST Now I am stuck on the level with all the magic mouths and beholders! I solved one riddle, but I am stumped by many of the others..... Help!! ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 152 Mon Dec 23, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 05:59 EST What about the riddles up on the magic mouth, flying snake and beholder level??? Anyone have the solutions to these.... I am stuck! ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 153 Mon Dec 23, 1991 WINTIR at 06:38 EST Sorry about the Stone Orb reference. I thought I had seen someone say that the stone orb was the item that teleported you up to the temple. My bad. Found the stone gem, plus those little Firballs in a glass. Great for flaming cocktails. Mark ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 154 Mon Dec 23, 1991 D.SAVALLI at 12:10 EST Could someone mail me the answer to the room with the moving wall? I have just about had it with throwing everything I have on those pressure plates . Thanks in Advance... ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 155 Mon Dec 23, 1991 D.SAVALLI at 17:46 EST Disregard my previous message, I figured that out. I now need help in the area that has the pressure plates and the glass doors, 3 on each side,with a pit and teleporter in each corner. I know that there is some combination with the pressure plates and teleporters, but I can't figure it out. Thanks in advance. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 156 Mon Dec 23, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 18:40 EST Well I solved the magic mouths at about 9am today and I am on my way hay hay.... ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 157 Mon Dec 23, 1991 J.THOMAS69 [Jeff Thomas] at 19:11 EST I'm on the level with the "You must leave many things behind" message in room with 9 pressure plates. I placed an item on each of the plates, and they're all depressed but the door refuses to budge. Am I misssing something??? Jeff T. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 158 Mon Dec 23, 1991 J.BOWMAN1 at 19:50 EST jeff, you just need to use five items. put one in the center. JB ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 159 Mon Dec 23, 1991 J.BOWMAN1 at 19:52 EST Help. I need help with the mouths. Have fed some of them but need help with where to find the other stuff... the hidden glow found below, items born of greed, natures beauty tiny and red. If I get these maybe I can finally finish this part. Right now I'm backtracking trying to find where I left another item I need here. Thanks. JB ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 160 Mon Dec 23, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 20:03 EST d.savali: where is the area with the moving walls? Before or after the hand imprint pedistal? ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 161 Mon Dec 23, 1991 M.WYMAN1 [COMANCHE] at 20:07 EST Could someone please (with sugar on top) email the soft spot room solution. I have seen the hints but still can't figure it out. ...and my mom said I was the smart one in the family :) Thanks Comanche ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 162 Mon Dec 23, 1991 D.SAVALLI at 20:16 EST A.Giovetti: It's after the hand imprint pedistal ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 163 Mon Dec 23, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 20:17 EST j.thomas69: just remember "X" marks the spot.... j.bowman1: help is on the way (e-mail help).... (1) for items born of greed find the secret passage to the south of the mouth in another corridor and see what it will exchange for unwanted items??? (Kinda twisted logic. (2) Natures beauty is linked to the hidden glow with an item you found below. The glow is hidden behind a door on the same level that you are... But without the item found below you can not get to it... When the mouth is fed with the item from down below, the room with the glow, in the western part of the maze will open up.... and give you the other item of nature's beauty for the other mouth... Did you find the hungry blade that is not cursed for the mouth? How about rolled magic or non magic paper? What about thirsty liquid? How about something bad for you to eat, but that which the mouth finds apetising? ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 164 Mon Dec 23, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 20:29 EST d.savalli: What did you do to get through the hand imprint pedestal room???? ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 165 Mon Dec 23, 1991 RW.CARLE [Mystic] at 20:36 EST Surprised, Surprised, That's what I was when I decided to walk into a local software store, not expecting to find anything I wanted, but decided to look anyway. And lo and behold infront of me was Eye of the Beholder II. I didn't expect to see any of the games I wanted out until Jan. I did a double take, looked again, and then quickly snatched it up (knowing that Santa would want me to have it). I've got ot loaded and just transfered my characters and I'm ready to play. Just wanted to drop a note and let you know. But then I see by the activity here that it's been out for a while. Later........Elrac Previously Mystic. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 166 Mon Dec 23, 1991 L.HOLLANDSW1 [Mandrake] at 20:57 EST I thought this was a great game until I reached the area with all the Wasp and Nests. And then the "Software Bugs" got me big time. First my Mouse kept hanging up. This happened a couple of times earlier in the game so I just rebooted and kept on going. Then I tried to use my newly acquired Cone of Cold spell against a swarm of Wasps and the game just froze up, over and over again. So, I went around another way and believe I found the same swarm from the back side. They stayed in their area allowing me a clear square to fire an Ice Storm at them. Well I did, and I must of just about destroyed everything in the temple because the next thing I knew I was looking at a dying red dragon and some really fantastic end game sequences. I do believe I've missed quite a bit of the game. I have not seen any Beholders and only one talking mouth (Give me three bones). I didn't even have to go through the maze of zappers. Needless to say, I'm unhappy. It's nice to reach the end game credits, but it's even nicer to finish the game. Oh, by the way, those end game graphic are really fantastic. They sure learned their lesson following Eye of the Beholder One. Could they have rushed this to market for Christmas? Has anyone else had any problems, or is it just me? ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 167 Mon Dec 23, 1991 W.GRAVES2 [rus/aus] at 21:06 EST D.SAVALLI - How do I get past the moving wall ? ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 168 Mon Dec 23, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 21:26 EST I just died for no apparent reason! I went up the tornado wind elevator and fought two beholders and killed them. When I came down the elevator I was assaulted by something unseen. It kept attacking my troops and I could not run away. (at least I think I could not run away.) I tried to fight and to drop the equipment that I found in the beholder chamber to no avail! What is going on? ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 169 Mon Dec 23, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 21:50 EST rw.carle: welcome to the realm of darkmoon.... l.hollandsw1: I do not believe that I have found any bugs save the divide error and the creeping and unseen death of the level above the magic mouth level. ssi.support: help me with the "creeping unseen death." Could this possibly be an air elemental and if so what can I do to combat it? ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 170 Mon Dec 23, 1991 A.MALY at 23:54 EST Stumped on "The Sentry", please email a clue. I've tried a lot of heavy things. Thanks Ano. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 171 Tue Dec 24, 1991 A.MALY at 00:05 EST Disregard 170. Seems I read the board, can't find help, get back into it and solve my problem. Oh, well. Hate to see my bill this month. Jason Yang, very funny clue. Like it a lot. Merry Christmas all. Ano. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 172 Tue Dec 24, 1991 BLUE.GHOST at 00:06 EST What level does the Mage get all of the Level 4 spells? I don't have the remove curse spell. I can not give the item to the mouth. Ghost ~~~~~ ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 173 Tue Dec 24, 1991 R.SANDERS18 [Rob Sanders] at 01:02 EST Could someone e-mail be a hint on what the mouth on the test of faith level wants (the one that asks for three bones)? I'm [D [D [D [DAlso, where did anyone find Amber? I haven't seen her yet. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 174 Tue Dec 24, 1991 RW.CARLE [Elrac] at 01:14 EST Well I've been playing for a little while to get a feel for the game. I have EOB I characters, but I decided to roll new characters and started playing with them. Somewhere along the line something happened to my Ranger.....under the EXP LVL section of the character sheet I got this Range -173200635113..... and it hasn't changed. I don't know if this was there all the time but I guess I'm going to have to stat over ....maybe I 'll use my EOB I characters this time. So far I like the game. The game did freeze up once...I could move the mouse but that was it. A map feature sure would be nice. Back to the Darkmoon. Elrac ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 175 Tue Dec 24, 1991 D.KAMBER [Dennis] at 01:27 EST Looking for a little explicit help, please. I have gotten through the nightmare (can't rest) level, and found the east horn upon exiting, I still haven'e found the WEST horn. I assume it is on the nightmare level somewhere. Could someone one help me on this one? GE-Mail would be great if you don't want to be too explicit here. Thanks. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 176 Tue Dec 24, 1991 JARIK at 01:40 EST I think I may have just screwed up. Got the glowing orb and accidentially used (right-click) it, and it disappeared. From the last few msgs, looks like I'm going to need that for later. A few questions to anyone who's kind enough to send an EMail: Done the nightmare levels, but never found out what was behind those holes -- Anything I should go back for? Am now currently stuck with one too few moon keys -- I _may_ have lost one to the cubes, but am not sure. One door remains closed to me and that's the moon locked door on the eastern side of the level with the "X" door trick. Have 3 of the winds (all but South) and would like to complete the set -- if anyone has a spare... ;) Have the stone Gem -- That sure comes in handy., On the level with the 3-way fireball trap that has the do-it-yourself exit, I was able to knock down one of the walls, but that's about it. Found 4 others that give a "Fail" msg as opposed to "Try somewhere else." Do any of these lead anywhere? Any other hints that I might find useful would be appreciated, if you're willing to send 'em along. :) - Scott ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 177 Tue Dec 24, 1991 P.CHIU [Batman] at 01:49 EST Hmmm? It looks I already missed a lot. So does this game have automapping? Batman BTW, so characters are transferable from EOBI? Argghhhh! I just deleted my whole file earlier last week. Oh well. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 178 Tue Dec 24, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 02:02 EST I made it finally to the basilisk and land shark level, but I still am confused about a few things: How do you open the door beyond the moving wall puzzle? What goes into the smooth round hole? Is there anything more to be found in the fireball trap area besides the shell key, the magic mouth challenge, the medusa shield and the crimson key? What do the six levers do (3 in the west and 3 in the north east)? How do you get beyond the glass barriers in the north east of the floor? How do you open the door in the north east of the floor? ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 179 Tue Dec 24, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 02:44 EST blue.ghost: I should have told you not to put the item in your hand. I thought I did tell you not to put the item in your hand? r.sanders18: Amber is on the floor just above the entrance level in one of the southern rooms. The mouth that asks for three bones wants just that three bones (skulls and femurs)... D.Kamber: There are actually two nightmare levels: the ant level and the margoyle level. The ant level is below the margoyle level. There is a spyder key and lock behind a secret wall in the north west of the margoyle level that leads down. Send me e-mail and I will get more specific.... Hint: Use the first key on the spider door in the south west first and you will get a second spider key that you can use in the south east to get a third spider key to go down with. Use this order or you will be unable to rest on this level or the one below... You must find the stone gem portal key to take you to an area where you can rest before going down to the ant level. jarik: The glowing orb of which you speek is only a fireball globe and is not anymore useful than as a weapon... The holes on the ant and margoyle (nightmare levels) are inaccessable and contain nothing you need in the game. Concerning the moon keys, have you found the stone portal key yet (see above description). There should be another moon key behind the spider doors and further within... The next wind horn is found in the beyond the blue moon doors on a stairway going up (If I remember corectly)... Only one wall in the three way fireball trap leads anywhere. p.chiu: This game has automapping by paper and pencil! I am up to 19 sheets of 35x50 square map paper. EOBI players and some equipment are easily transferred. +5 swords, +5 halberds, potions, scrolls, sheilds and armor transfer. Make sure your mages have the remove curse spell! ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 180 Tue Dec 24, 1991 C.YANG6 [Jason Yang] at 05:22 EST Al : If you met the challenge you should have the item to open the door. The three levers to the west open the door next to it. The three levers to the north east and the button on the opposite wall is the key to those transparent walls. Jason ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 181 Tue Dec 24, 1991 J.THOMAS69 [Jeff Thomas] at 08:17 EST I've finished the nightmare levels, and have all four horns. Now what? I went back up, solved the soft-room puzzle, but can't get past the mouth with the Mark of DarkMoon requirement. Where do I go now? Jeff T. Arrgggh. Gotta go to Cleveland for 4 days!!!! Cant pick back up until Sat. Argggghhh. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 182 Tue Dec 24, 1991 J.THOMAS69 [Jeff Thomas] at 08:59 EST Addendum to my last msg: On the 2nd floor of Temple, I've opened all the door 'cept one: this one has the bright red circular plate around the keyhole. Copper keys and lock-picking doesn't work, where is the key???? Jeff T. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 183 Tue Dec 24, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 13:55 EST Just back after some yechh christmas shopping.... Great to be back! ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 184 Tue Dec 24, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 14:09 EST c.yang6, I tried the three levers the the northeast and the button on the opposite wall and no go for the transparent walls. Could you be a little more specific? j.thomas69, after you get the four horns go back to the place where you entered darkmoon and just to the west of where you met the two guardians there is a wall carving of the four winds. Something like a seal used in Egyption monuments. There is some conection between the carving of the four winds and the horns of the four winds... jthomas69: the second floor of the temple has a keyhole with a bright red plate around it! Where is this keyhole? Be more specific about the second floor of the temple. What other features distinguish the floor. Is the floor two or one level above the entrance level? Have you found the crimson key yet? If you need help finding the crimson key then I will e-mail on request! ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 185 Tue Dec 24, 1991 J.HARROP at 14:53 EST Happy Holidays, Everyone! I'm getting this game on Thursday and would like a little info from those lucky enough to already be playing. I have my saved game from EOB all ready to go, but I'd like to know what items to load my 4 transfering characters with. Do the Stone Portal items transfer? Are they needed? Do all the weapons transfer? (such as the +5 ones) Any advice on this subject will be appreciated!! I hope this hasn't been covered uptopic already because I IGN PER'ed this topic as soon as the game was released to avoid reading any Spoilers on the game itself. Please send me E-Mail at J. HARROP to give me any info on the above. Thanks in advance for any help!! Merry Christmas, Jim Harrop ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 186 Tue Dec 24, 1991 C.YANG6 [Jason Yang] at 17:22 EST Al : The positions of the levers when you press the button will effect how the glass walls are arranged. Jason ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 187 Tue Dec 24, 1991 D.KAMBER [Dennis] at 17:33 EST A.GIOVETTI - thanks for the clues, already found what I was after, but apparently I did it the hard way. Been carrying the stone gem, didn't realize it would take me to a place I could rest! Managed without. Actually I managed to get the required keys to get to the staircase out of the nightmare level, and then used that as a haven to rest, and then run like heck through the nightmare and ant level. I am now on the level with the magic mouth chalenge, and I find I must go back and get the cursed sword I left behind. Mouth's eat the darndest things!! ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 188 Tue Dec 24, 1991 J.VENESKEY [Slayer] at 17:59 EST I have been playing EOB II for 3 days now and have managed to clean out the catacombs. I have reached the level above the bees in the tower and have encountered a keyhole that requires a bone key. I recall having 2 of them at one point in the game but I used them someplace. One I picked up after a fight and the other I THINK I made... I have been running all over the place trying to remember how I made the other key, was it a one shot deal? Did I use one where I shoud not have? Is there more to be found? Also, I let the old lady guide me to Darkmoon, and I am wondering what I missed in the woods. I can't find out now since the doors locked! Was there a thief out there someplace? I have found a female fighter and a male cleric fighter but no thieves! I have none in the party I imported from EOB I!! Will I catch up with that thief I freed in the catacombs? Also, the box says there is a Temple, Catacombs and 3 Towers to explore, how do you get to the others - will it happen naturally or did I miss them? Does anyone know how many levels there are in each tower? any answers to any questions appreciated!! ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 189 Tue Dec 24, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 20:03 EST Well I solved all the puzzles and I am running around medusa's maze. There are thousands of medusae! Green ones, purple ones, blue ones, etc... How do I get out of here. I already found a treasure in here. I also found several rooms with pressure plates on the floor... One room is a 1x1 with four doors and one pressure plate. The others appear to be 1x1s with two doors and one pressure plate... How do you get out of here? ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 190 Tue Dec 24, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 20:32 EST I NEED SOME HELP HERE, PLEASE! I am in the medusae maze in the amber tower (SSI calls the tower with the red walls the amber tower). What is there to find and what do I do next? I have found a stone dagger and some other junk like a scroll! Once I have the stone dagger do I go back down to the temple for my next move... Does anyone have a map of the medusae maze? j.harrop, +5 weapons, potions and scrolls do transfer.... Check your spell list you will need a lot of spells.... Elf characters are a real pain in this one. If they die only one altar (so far) can resurrect an elf... One elf wizard is particularly useful, but in the medusae lair, he can not use the medusae shield.... c.yang6, yes in the north east section if one is up and the others are down when you push the button one will raise up! Viola..and thanks! d.kamber, found a stone dagger in the medusae maze! I am not sure what to do next however... I do have all the solutions for the mouths should you need them! j.veneskey, making the key was a one shot deal. Proceed with the test and you will find another one (sucessful test) or you will be given a key and some punishment... I assume you are on the magic mouth level? The woods had an underground cave with rotten food and a place to rest. Rotten food is also found in the beholder lair at the top of the silver tower (SSI name for the first tower entered with the four horns), and on the magic mouth floor in a room with a snake generator.... Most items can be found closeby for the mouths... Within the silver tower... I have not seen bones nor hide of the theif.... Amber is a theif mage on the second floor of the monk's residence in the south side (pick the locks with the curved shaped keyholes)....hmmm you dont have a thief so how you gona pick the locks??? Dilema!!! This appears to be an SSI oversight... Pick up the bones of the elf mage he is quite an asset later on. I still have him! Each tower unfolds after finishing the prior tower or catacomb... You do the mezzanine, the monk's residence, catecombs, silver tower, amber tower then crimson tower in that order. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 191 Tue Dec 24, 1991 D.GAMBLIN1 [Darryl] at 20:38 EST I'm on the level with the margoyles and having trouble finding the stone key and the second moon key (found one on the ant level). Would somebody mail me the location of those keys. I've been beyond the room with the 9 pressure plates and found 2 secret passages back there but no keys. Darryl. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 192 Tue Dec 24, 1991 BLUE.GHOST at 20:48 EST I started on my other party I saved and I'm on the Skeleton Warrior level now. Ghost ~~~~~ ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 193 Tue Dec 24, 1991 BSCHLOSSBERG [doctorBJ] at 22:34 EST Could somebody give me some simpler help? With the first horde of undead, does slamming down the door on them repeatedly do the job? I've done this for 20 minutes without noticeable relief. I've only got 3 fireball spells and, once they're let into a room, it's curtains!! Maybe I'm too simple to see a simple solution which is apparently easy for everyone else. Thanks!!! Barry ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 194 Tue Dec 24, 1991 D.KAMBER [Dennis] at 22:49 EST doctorBJ - I found hanging around the room with the closable door near what seems to be the source of the undead seems to help. I would step out, as far as I needed (not usually very far) to face the next group, and then duck back in, close the door heal, rest and SAVE! ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 195 Tue Dec 24, 1991 M.MURAKAMI at 22:55 EST Divide Overflow error. If anyone is getting this error, I've just read msg in Compuserve where someone talked to SSI support and was told this error is possibly caused by having a he half elf fighter/cleric/mage character. There on vas vacation and won't be able to work on a fix till they get back. Have fun. Maske /s ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 196 Tue Dec 24, 1991 D.GAMBLIN1 [Darryl] at 23:31 EST Barry, I used a combination of fireballs, magic missles, and my paladin and fighter attacking hand to hand. This worked for individual groups of four. Then when I found the room that was full of undead, I got them to chase me and spread out into groups of four or less. After that it, was a matter of killing a group and then going somewhere to regain spells before fighting the next group. Darryl. P.S. Your cleric can turn some of them ocasionally. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 197 Wed Dec 25, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 00:12 EST Played Falcon 3.0 for a few hours waiting for the board to clear up... ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 198 Wed Dec 25, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 00:31 EST bschlossberg, the infinite skeletal lords is a problem of positioning and speed. As are all monster conquests. Judicious use of magic just depletes the magic users. You must hack and slash them by postioning yourself in such a way that one you can make best effect of the cone of cold spell that expands and kills most everything in front of you and the melee weapons on the front lines... I have brought over +5 swords and +3 and +4 short swords from EOBI and have outfitted my front fighter with them. The four swords can be quite devistating to one monster at a time....` d.kamber, good advice!! m.murakami, the half-elf fighter/cleric/mage character sounds like the ticket since my party with this character also had a divide error on one certain encounter in the catecombs one level down from the mezzanine... d.gamblin1, good advice!! What no one out there knows anything about the medusae maze!!!!???? Arrrrgggghhhhh!!!! I need some help!!! ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 199 Wed Dec 25, 1991 A.LANGE2 [Alan D.L.] at 01:13 EST When I got on tonight there were 32! new messages since late last night. Lotta traffic people . I am stuck on the Basilisk level. Have found the soul and heart gems easily enough, can't find anything else. Clues, hints, answers? The nice part is when I met Alain. My main characters are at 400K experience. The mage I had touch Alain went up to 750K+1 ExP. It's NICE to be a 12th MU . I tried Disintigrate on various parts. Only works on creatures, not walls, doors, or nests. Alan ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 200 Wed Dec 25, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 01:21 EST In the medusae maze what is the solution to "trap the ladies to weight the plates?" ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 201 Wed Dec 25, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 01:29 EST a.lange2: YOu need the body gem and put all three in the ornament The gems are beyond the teleporters, just north of the ornament in a room reaced by the corridor found to the west of the central basilisk room, and the body gem is in the south beyond the moving pits in the north to south corridor found to the east of the main basilisk room which goes south to the room with the body gem. This is nothing that a little searching would not do. By the way the north south corridor in the east is hidden by a secret door which is made transparent by the true sight spell! ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 202 Wed Dec 25, 1991 R.SANDERS18 [Rob Sanders] at 03:09 EST yA.Giovetti: A guess from someone you've left in the dust on this game: Is there an item that might reflect a medusa gaze and stone them? Perhaps "Trap the ladies to weight the plates" means put a stoned medusa on a pressure plate somewhere (as nothing else may be heavy enough). Now I don't know if I'd consider a medusa a lady or not... ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 203 Wed Dec 25, 1991 C.YANG6 [Jason Yang] at 05:05 EST Alan : What is this Alain you are talking about? Is it an item, location, decoration, character...? Al : Do just what the clue says. You have to close the doors so that a medusa cannot escape from a pressure plate square. If only they would just stand still while you run around closing the doors. (Phasers on stun! :) Anyone : I'm stuck in the third tower (after the wall opened by the sword). I'm on the level with three wall of force to the north, east, and south. After turning off the three wall of forces, there is a hole behind each that are hot, lukewarm, and warm. What do I do now? Jason ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 204 Wed Dec 25, 1991 D.GAMBLIN1 [Darryl] at 11:22 EST Al, Thanks for the locations of the keys. My problem was that margoyles were inside the illusionary wall and the game kept telling me I couldn't go that way. I just had to wait for almost all of the margoyles to come out. Darryl. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 205 Wed Dec 25, 1991 J.BUVEL at 12:25 EST HELP!! I have been stuck on the second floor of the temple for hours. I cann cannot find the key for the red keyhole or the mark of darkmoon. I have been in the 3x3 room. Can someone jump start me. Send E-Mail. Thanks. Merry Christmas! ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 206 Wed Dec 25, 1991 ALCHEMEDES at 13:16 EST Are all you folks mapping? Is ANYONE mapping? If so, would it be possible to see the maps posted on GENIE? Any help of this type would be appreciated. Thanks. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 207 Wed Dec 25, 1991 D.GAMBLIN1 [Darryl] at 13:26 EST Would someone EMail me the location of the EAST horn. I only have three of the four. I found the third horn on the way up the stairs leading off the nightmare levels. So that is not the EAST horn. Thanks, Darryl. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 208 Wed Dec 25, 1991 D.SAVALLI at 14:30 EST Where are the polished shields, I have 5 and need 1 more to get to the medusa level. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 209 Wed Dec 25, 1991 BLUE.GHOST at 15:07 EST Darryl, did you get the one on the Ant level? Ghost ~~~~~ ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 210 Wed Dec 25, 1991 D.GAMBLIN1 [Darryl] at 15:53 EST Blue Ghost, I think I have the one on the ant level, the one first one with the note up near the first level, and the one at the exit to the nightmare levels. It's the other horn that I'm having trouble locating. Darryl. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 211 Wed Dec 25, 1991 D.KAMBER [Dennis] at 16:33 EST Well, making some progress, figured out the scrap of map fit into the beholder level, the crystal hammer does help! How about some help/ideas on the test of vision area on the beholder area just after Khelbin's second contact? Any clues/hints/maps/answers much appreciated!! ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 212 Wed Dec 25, 1991 L.GORRELL at 19:38 EST hello, i'm having problems with the sentry puzzle can anyone email me explicit help thanks lou ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 213 Wed Dec 25, 1991 BLUE.GHOST at 20:12 EST Darryl, it must be on the Margoyle level. Did you get the stone gem and use the portal? Ghost ~~~~~ ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 214 Wed Dec 25, 1991 D.DANIEL8 at 22:09 EST I am also stuck on the Sentry puzzel and any help would be appreciated. If you are having trouble with the beholders (works with other monsters as well) you need to get them in a 2x2 or bigger room. This way you can attack and then move before it has a chance to cast any spells. I was able to kill several beholders this way without taking any damage. Thanks David Daniel ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 215 Wed Dec 25, 1991 A.LANGE2 [Alan D.L.] at 22:17 EST The Sentry wall moves as an item or person arrives on a plate. So, if some items were served at a distance, it would visit them first. For those who have reached the basilisk level, disperse the magic a third time to find Alain. He jumped my MU from 400K ExP to 750K+1 ExP. I have not found the True Seeing spell yet, nor has my cleric received it, even though she is a high enough level. Alan ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 216 Wed Dec 25, 1991 WINTIR at 23:33 EST Well, after playing off and on for the past couple of hours, I find myself stuck at 3 of the magic mouths on the flying snake level. The mouths that I can't seem to please are: Things born of Greed Natures Meat Item from the fiends below/with the hidden glow. Tis frustrating to come along so nicely lately, then to run right smack into a wall. A hint of what might be required would be appreciated. Just a hint, no solution. Mark ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 217 Thu Dec 26, 1991 D.DANIEL8 at 00:02 EST I have got past the moving wall (the sentry) but cannot get the door open that is past it. Where or what is the object need to open that door. Also when you take the teleporter to fight the bulettes, the one were you are supposed to leave your magic books and holy symbols, are you supposed to get something after killing them? Thanks David Daniel ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 218 Thu Dec 26, 1991 D.GAMBLIN1 [Darryl] at 00:59 EST Blue Ghost, I been using the portal instead of the stairs after getting all the items from the stairs and halls on the way out. Any sugestions to the location of the horn on the margoyle level besides the one on the way up the stairs would be greatly appreciated. Darryl. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 219 Thu Dec 26, 1991 JARIK at 01:57 EST WINTIR [Mark]: From what I was able to tell, the only way to give you a hint would be to give you the solution -- I just kept trying items as the riddle, in a few cases, seemed to have nothing to do with the item(s) requested NOReply DAT<=>yymmdd NOText PAUse ? Invalid range specified 219- 1. CATegories 10. INDex of topics 2. NEW messages 11. SEArch topics 3. SET category 12. DELete message 4. DEScribe CAT 13. IGNore category 5. TOPic list 14. PROmpt setting 6. BROwse new msgs 15. SCRoll setting 7. REAd messages 16. NAMe used in BB 8. REPly to topic 17. EXIt the BB 9. STArt a topic 18. HELp on commands Enter #, or p 25 ? Invalid range specified 219- 1. CATegories 10. INDex of topics 2. NEW messages 11. SEArch topics 3. SET category 12. DELete message 4. DEScribe CAT 13. IGNore category 5. TOPic list 14. PROmpt setting 6. BROwse new msgs 15. SCRoll setting 7. REAd messages 16. NAMe used in BB 8. REPly to topic 17. EXIt the BB 9. STArt a topic 18. HELp on commands Enter #, or p 25 ? ************ Topic 21 Thu Oct 31, 1991 K.RANDLES [Nameless] at 20:30 EST Sub: Eye of the Beholder II OK,heres the place for anyone who's intersted.Eye of the Beholder ][: the LEgend of Dark Moon should be out very soon an d i am eagerly awaiting its release.w how about you guys(and gals) 293 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 219 Thu Dec 26, 1991 JARIK at 01:57 EST WINTIR [Mark]: From what I was able to tell, the only way to give you a hint would be to give you the solution -- I just kept trying items as the riddle, in a few cases, seemed to have nothing to do with the item(s) requested [shrug]. Finally got True Sight for one of my Mages -- LOVE that spell. Think I'm going to go back down and check out all of the old levels to see what I missed. Question, for anyone who's passed the level following the mouth riddles (the one that looks like it was designed by M.C. Escher, even WITH true sight) -- Is it just me, or is the wall layout simply not possible here> Things are changing all right, and it doesn't seem like I'm getting anywhere. I managed to find 3 pressure plates on that level (and the secret door leading to one of them) and it doesn't appear that any of them will accept a substitute weight. Any/all hints/giveaways GLADLY accepted. Also found the trap with the fireball and the two floating Will 'o Wisps. Anything useful there? Think I' ll go check out the parts of this level that DO make a little sense one more time. - Scott (And by the by: Scorp & Makyo --> [hugs!]) ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 220 Thu Dec 26, 1991 C.YANG6 [Jason Yang] at 05:08 EST David : Did you accept the challenge? You are suppose to meet a creature after you accepted the challenge and killing it will give you what you need to open the door. I don't remember any bulettes in the challenge sequence. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 222 Thu Dec 26, 1991 S.OBRIEN13 [Jarin] at 10:08 EST I'm just about to go shopping for a new game; would anyone suggest this as a good choice? I only have a 286 with ega graphics (for now :) ). Thanx, Jarin. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 223 Thu Dec 26, 1991 JARIK at 12:04 EST Jason Yang: I, too, accepted the challenge and fought 4 bulettes and had t knock down the wall of souls and went on to defeat the guy I was there for to begin with -- Unfortunately, I never got anything for my efforts either. There was supposed to be a key of some sort? Could you please either post/email exactly what it was I was supposed to find and which one of them was supposed to drop it? If it's happened to two of us, I'd sure hate for it to be a bug.. Thanks in advance, - Scott ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 224 Thu Dec 26, 1991 D.GREVER1 [MATRIX] at 13:36 EST help, i'm stumped, on the second floor of first tower, i havent found key for red lock, (opened all other doors, solved soft floor room puzzle, come up through nightmare level, through spiders etc.) where is key, or is it later in game (after i use four horns), also what about magic mouth and mark of darkmoon... someone please e-mail, thanx in advance. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 225 Thu Dec 26, 1991 W.GRAVES2 [rus/aus] at 13:59 EST Help... Did anyone record the location of the six polished shields. I am ready to enter Medusas' Labyrinth but only have five. E-Mail please. Guess I will have to play Falcon 3.0 and/or Civilization (thanks Santa) until I get an answer... Wig ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 226 Thu Dec 26, 1991 MICHELE-C at 14:47 EST Help... Could someone E-Mail me help for the Soft room... I have read all the back posts but the answer is not entering my thick skull.. So help please.. Thanks Michele ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 227 Thu Dec 26, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 18:17 EST Well I solved the medusae maze problem since last I was on. What is new guys? ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 228 Thu Dec 26, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 18:57 EST r.sanders18, your solution is not far from wrong as to the solution to "trap the ladies to weight the plates" riddle, but not with a reflection from the mirror! c.yang6, I am right behind you perhaps I can help when I catch up. j.buvel, the red key is only found in the azure tower as is the mark of darkmoon found in the silver tower. You must finish the catecombs first and find the four horns of the four winds to enter the azure tower... PPS You can pick the locks to the funny looking bronze, brass key holes! alchemedes, I have a full set of maps of the catecombes, the silver and azure tower, but I do not have a mapping program to convert them to whatever! d.gamblin1, the east horn is back on the nightmare levels! d.savalli, e-mail me where you got the five and I will tell you where the sixth one is! d.kamber, what is the test of vision area? l.gorrell, help is on the way! d,daniel8, the sentry help is on the way! a.lange2, the service at a distance for the sentry is involved with throwing the solution on a plate...??? If you still need help e- mail me a request! wintir, things born of greed are to be found one corridor south of the magic mouth corridor behind a secret door in the south wall of this corridor... Natures meat is the most obscure, those that idolize this fleshy brainfood are to be found nesting below with the "friends from below." Let us say it is heads if not shoulders above any invertibrate bust of clerically bent fiends... Once natures meat is fed to the right mouth a door in the west of the magic mouth level will open up revealin the item that glows and was once hidden and inaccessable behind a locked door.... All but the head are to be found on the magic mouth level. d.daniel8, in order to open the sentry door, one must take the shell game and win against all three battles. Be careful to put your holy items well into the alcove or..... Also this is where a medusae shield is to be found... jarik, are you in the medusae maze? Search around for he plaque that reads "trap the ladies to weight the plates." Read the messages again! Something can freeze the women in their tracks while you close the doors and do not close off the south plate room until all of the other three northern ones are filled with stunned women... (Certainly not stunning women)... s.obrien13, you must upgrade your machine or be forever unable to play these better games! Have you finished EOB2 yet? jarek, the item you need is in the room after you defeat the monster in a wall shelf! d.grever1, use the four horns to enter the silver tower. The other doors and areas are for the azure and crimson tower which will be opened for you once you are at the right point in the game! w.graves2: I know where the shields are e-mail me telling me where you got the first five! michele-c, I will send you the soft room solution.... But concentrate your items in one direction would be a bright idea! Perhaps one of the four compass points holds the key... PS: Where are you stuck exactly? Perhaps you have already concentrated enough and now need to plant a seed....? ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 229 Thu Dec 26, 1991 BLUE.GHOST at 19:12 EST Al, do you have the locations where you find the 4 horns? Is there one on the Margoyle level and where? I'm trying to help Darryl but I don't remember where it is. I made it back to the Beholder level with two mages and they both have the remove curse spell. Ghost ~~~~~ ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 230 Thu Dec 26, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 19:16 EST Who remembers the location of all of the medusae shields. I wrote 3 of them down and cannot remember the other three!!! ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 231 Thu Dec 26, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 19:29 EST e-mail is on the way ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 232 Thu Dec 26, 1991 JARIK at 19:37 EST Al, you're a godsend. :) Thanks. Will look for a hidden wall shelf in the room I beat him in. Just as I was getting incredibly frustrated. I've been playing around with the 3 switches/glass walls/room with a soft spot area for the last hour and haven't figured out _any_ usefulness for this area. I've managed to look pretty much everywhere in there and can't find anything useful -- Al, anyone else? Anything in there? - Scott ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 233 Thu Dec 26, 1991 D.KAMBER [Dennis] at 19:43 EST A.GIOVETTI - By the Test Your Vision area I am referring to the constantly changing wall area on the beholder level, I have since stumbled my way througit! Right now I am stuck at the Sentry wall level, E-Mail would be appreicited. As for the medusa shields, so far I have only two, one was found somewhere in the fireball maze, and the second was after the challenge battle that also got me the key of Talon. Hopefully I should not have found any more by now. Thanks. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 234 Thu Dec 26, 1991 MICHELE-C at 19:45 EST I finally got the Soft room riddle... Gee I must have a soft head, because it was kind of easy once I thought about it. Now I'm having trouble with the test of Faith... I keep getting charred by the beams!! I sure there is a pattter so some kind but I can't figure it out for the life of me... Can anyone help Please!! Michele ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 235 Thu Dec 26, 1991 J.VENESKEY [Slayer] at 19:48 EST Has anyone figured out the format for the saved game files yet? I am NOT interested in giving my characters infinite hitpoints or such I just desperately need a thief and I do not have one! I imported my party from EOB1 and have failed to find any thieves, dead or otherwise willing to join me... I'd love to change this cleric/fighter I picked up into a fighter thief. Also, whats all this talk about fighting beholders on the level above the bees in the tower? All I gound were harmless Gas Spores that blow up nicely with long range magic missiles! I was scared stiff I was going to meet a whole bunch of real beholders like in level 12 of EOB I!!! Are there really lots of beholders in this game??? ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 236 Thu Dec 26, 1991 JARIK at 20:04 EST Dennis: I'm stuck there too, but, unfortunately, wasn't able to find the Key of Talon yoy speak of -- If you wold be so kind, WHERE IS IT?! Been through that challenge scene a couple dozen times and have never found anything special. Michele: Does anyone in your party have True Sight? That seemed to help, knowing which ones were off and which were really zappers. Slayer: Since I'm just here waiting, I'll hack my way through it for you. Will probably leave a msg in an hour or so. Cleric/Fighter to Fighter/Thief. You'll probably need a set of lockpicks as well, unless you found a set somewheres. I'll see what I can dig up here. At least a _reasonable_ challenge for a change. - Scott ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 237 Thu Dec 26, 1991 JARIK at 20:08 EST Almost forgot: Dennis, if you _do_ get any mail on that level, I'd appreciate a copy -- (Just in case, either M200;9 FOR ####### JARIK or SEND JARIK *C,####### -- thanks!) ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 238 Thu Dec 26, 1991 P.LEONTESCU2 [Overkill] at 20:47 EST Well after a week off I'm back to playing this game. So far I'm up to the magic mouth that says "Things of greed..." Luckily I read one of the previous replies which helps a lot. So far I think it's a great game!!! ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 239 Thu Dec 26, 1991 JARIK at 21:33 EST File format appears to be fairly similar to the last game, that helped quite a bit. First off, move the person to be changed to the first position in the party (upper left). This isn;t truly necessary, but it'll save me the headaches of calculating offsets for each position. The byte at offset 52 (0x34) is the one that determines the class. (for you adventurous ones, it's offset 32 (0x20) spaces from the first letter of a character's name, assuming the first letter of the name is 0. Class list: 00 - Fighter 01 - Ranger 02 - Paladin 03 - Mage 04 - Cleric 05 - Thief 06 - Fighter/Cleric 07 - Fighter/Thief 08 - Fighter/Mage 09 - Fighter/Mage/Thief 0A - Thief/Mage 0B - Cleric/Thief 0C - Fighter/Cleric/Mage 0D - Ranger/Cleric 0E - Cleric/Mage (For those who want to see an intersting character, try 'FF'. I never knew that ``Female Halfling'' could be a class.) *** WARNING: Do NOT change the NUMBER of classes a character has. If they're using the same scheme as last time, that's going to be a REAL mess. It can be done, but would take too long to explain. It MAY be safe to change DOWN the number of classes, but changing UP gets complicated. WARNING #2: I would assume, and SSI will probably say as much, but it's more than likely that by modifying any data files, you probably lose all technical support that you could be given. (After all, what are they supposed to tell you? They have no idea what was changed. I can almost guarantee you'll get one answer: Start over with unmodified characters.) Hope this helps, and if anyone could in turn lend me a hand with ANYTHING on the Sentry level (Namely: Where's the key to get in to the door behind the sentry? What good is the area with the 3 levels, glass walls, pushbutton, and small room with soft spot? Is there anything other than a crimson key in the area with the fire traps?) Thanks muchly! - Scott, Member SRH (Society of Responsible Hackers) ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 240 Thu Dec 26, 1991 R.STINSON [Bob] at 21:54 EST I'm behind a lot of you....what's the deal with the 9 plate room? Do I drop specific items, or in specific spots, or what? (9 plates - on the Nightmare level - 9 pressure plates, "leave many things behind") ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 241 Thu Dec 26, 1991 JARIK at 22:03 EST Bob, Read back a few messages (about 100 ;) Some good hints were given. I'll summarize: "X marks the spot." - Scott ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 242 Thu Dec 26, 1991 P.LEONTESCU2 [Overkill] at 22:19 EST 9 pressure plates : you have to leave 5 things behind (can be anything you want). Start with the middle and then work out a pattern. Now for my problem.... I have passed the level with the magic mouths and now I can't kill those ugly spheres with many eyeballs. Ugly looking things aren't they? As soon as I start to fight them they cast death and disintegrate spells at me so by the time I can hit them half of my players are dead meat. Are there any spells that protect me from magic? I tried all the spells I have and none work. Is there something I forgot to pick up? In case you haven't guessed, the ugly things with many eye- balls are in the board right after the magic mouths. Any help would be greatly apprecited. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 243 Thu Dec 26, 1991 JARIK at 22:31 EST Overkill: What you're just found are the Beholders. (As in "Eye Of The ..." ;) What I found to work best was use ranged spells when possible, and if you have to get close, hit and move before they get their attacks in. Good luck! - Scott ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 244 Thu Dec 26, 1991 D.GAMBLIN1 [Darryl] at 22:35 EST Al and Blue Ghost, I now have the last horn. It was on the level with the three way fire trap. I must have found it before because that room was already on my maps. But I guess I restored an older game after playing with fire traps. Thanks for all your help. Darryl. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 245 Thu Dec 26, 1991 MICHELE-C at 22:51 EST Jarik, True Sight... whats that? I can see the beams if thats what you mean.. its just that I keep getting charred by them looking for the way through. Michele ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 246 Thu Dec 26, 1991 JARIK at 23:35 EST Michele, True Sight is a 6th level spell that allows you to see through illusions. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 247 Thu Dec 26, 1991 K.RANDLES [Nameless] at 23:40 EST ok,I am stuck in the Margoyle area. a can't (oops a -a should be I) find anything in this area.also,i am not sure if i am going in the right order or not. should i have gone to the upper floors of the temple before going to the catacombs? any help will be greatly appreciated. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 248 Fri Dec 27, 1991 BLUE.GHOST at 00:01 EST Overkill, lure the beholder into a room with at least 4 squares. Then keep moving side to side, hit once, then move side to side hit again, and so on... One more thing, use your mouse to attack and your arrow keys to move from side to side. Worked great for me. Yes they are beholders, a dozen or more on that level. Ghost ~~~~~ ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 249 Fri Dec 27, 1991 R.SANDERS18 [Rob Sanders] at 00:20 EST Jarik - This game lets Beholders take damage from ranged spells (or any spells, for that matter)? Are you sure? I guess the designers never read the AD&D Monster Manual... ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 250 Fri Dec 27, 1991 C.YANG6 [Jason Yang] at 01:03 EST Nameless : Have you found the illusionary wall to the west of the + ? Al : Where are you now. Are you in the third tower? Have you been able to get those 2 rings that keep moving out of reach? Have you gotten past the level with those two free spinning disks yet? Jason ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 251 Fri Dec 27, 1991 A.LANGE2 [Alan D.L.] at 01:11 EST Where is True Sight? My cleric is a high enough level to get it according to the book, but she doesn't have it. My mage hasn't found any scrolls with it yet. I am now in the Medusa maze. I have killed several, haven't seen a way out or any signs. The Bulette challenge ended with a guy who gave you a message screen before battle. After battle, you should have found the Eye of Talon. The guy you fight has an elephant nose and wings. Don't know what they are called. Alan ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 252 Fri Dec 27, 1991 JARIK [Scott] at 01:16 EST Alan, Re: True Sight. Odd. It just showed up on my character. Re: Eye of Talon. It was supposed to be there? Damn. NOTHING was there. Just what I wanted to do tonight -- Figure out the inventory system of their save files. If the game isn't going to do what it's supposed to, I'll just help it along a little. Harumph. Thanks for the info! - Scott ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 253 Fri Dec 27, 1991 C.YANG6 [Jason Yang] at 01:29 EST *** Alert *** Alert *** Alert *** Do not, repeat, DO NOT use the glass spheres as fireballs! You need three of them to continue with the game at a later point. This message is not meant to provide specific solutions but to save frustrations. I've only found three spheres before they were needed so if you had used any of them up, you might consider restoring an earlier game. Hope I'm not too late. (I'm sooooo glad I'm an pack rat and never throw away anything :) Jason ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 254 Fri Dec 27, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 02:23 EST I am in the hall of many hells in the crimson tower. I need another fireglobe! Where are they found? ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 255 Fri Dec 27, 1991 C.YANG6 [Jason Yang] at 03:56 EST Al : Did you used to have 3 globes? You might consider restoring from an earlier game if you used any up. I found a total of 3 globes somewhere in the other two towers. Don't remember exactly where though. Sorry. SSI : Great ending!!! Jason ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 256 Fri Dec 27, 1991 JARIK [Scott] at 03:57 EST Could use a little hand on the level BELOW the medusae level -- In the room with 2 teleporters, 5 soft spots, and 6 glass walls. Al: Would love to return the favour, but I didn't write 'em down, either. I ended up having to figure out the inventory section of the save file since the game was ovbiously NOT going to give me the eye of talon -- If you want to try that way, EMail (Attached) me a save game file and I'd be happy to mangle it for you. Jason: Thanks for the warning! Rob Sanders: I could have sworn it did, but I'm getting the impression that my version of the game isn't working exactly like anyone elses. Think I'm going to backup the savegames and reinstall just to be safe. - Scott ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 257 Fri Dec 27, 1991 W.GRAVES2 [rus/aus] at 11:25 EST *** News Flash *** Don't worry too much about Jason's warning about needing to go back to get three glass spheres...there is a sphere generator in the Crimson Tower (up the north stairway...put something on the altar after you flip the two switches that stop the teleporters). Wig ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 258 Fri Dec 27, 1991 H.MESMAN [Howie] at 11:45 EST I've been wandering around the Fireball maze and have found a room with a magic mouth and a teleporter that takes you to an area with 3 bulettes and a teleporter that takes you back to the magic mouth room. Is this the callange you've been talking about and, if so, how do I get the stupid thing to work? (the mouth at this time is closed) ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 259 Fri Dec 27, 1991 M.WYMAN1 [COMANCHE] at 14:44 EST I am in the test of vision area. Is there an easy way to kill those stupid Will O Wisps? I have found 4 plates but not sure what to do. Confused Comanche ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 260 Fri Dec 27, 1991 A.LANGE2 [Alan D.L.] at 15:13 EST The challenge is to leave your cross and spellbooks behind and get other than the 3 Bulettes. Take a wand if you have any, you face many monsters in hand-to- hand. The Wisps succumb eventually to swords, the plates change the layout of the maze. My cleric finally got True Vision. Turned out to be a 6th level spell, while the book says 5th. Still haven't found a MU scroll for it yet. I got fire-globes, 2 by the stone gem on the margoyle level, 1 on the Mantis level. Alan ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 261 Fri Dec 27, 1991 P.LEONTESCU2 [Overkill] at 16:47 EST Ranged spells on Beholders : I can't use any spells on the Beholders. I tried using all my ranged spells on them and none did any damage. However I was able to beat them by moving side to side (the old hit and run trick). ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 262 Fri Dec 27, 1991 W.GRAVES2 [rus/aus] at 16:53 EST Man-O-Man... I'm in the Mind Flayer Area and have two related question : 1) HOW DO THEY REPRODUCE SOOOOO FAST...??? 2) Is there a Generator that I need to turn off...??? Wig ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 263 Fri Dec 27, 1991 R.PRITCHARD1 [Randy] at 17:07 EST Jarvik, I tried your suggestion, changed Tanglor from a Fighter/Cleric to a Fighter thief. As far as I know, you do not encounter any thieves in this game. I also did a little hacking, changed the experience bytes and now all my characters are level 13. The experience levels are in reverse hex order. I should say experience points. I found out that I had to fight a few battles after raising said points, to get the levels up. I haven't played much since then, but as yet I haven't encountered any problems. Anyone reading this, don't mess around with your game saves unless you make a backup first, and if you didn't understand what I said above, don't do it at all. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 264 Fri Dec 27, 1991 R.PRITCHARD1 [Randy] at 17:13 EST I've just started topic 25, which is a spoiler topic for EOB II. If you have specific answers or solutions, please take it there. In this topic I've seen so far hints and outright solutions all jumbled together. The other topic also saves everyone the trouble of having to e-mail questions and answers. I usually like just a hint, but there are those times when a straight answer prevents a lot of frustration. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 265 Fri Dec 27, 1991 JARIK [Scott] at 17:46 EST Wig -- Thanks for the warning! (Or Un-warning,m as it were. :) Howie: Have you tried clicking on the mouth? They're not _all_ talkative, by default. ;) Randy: Good idea for a topic. - Scott ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 266 Fri Dec 27, 1991 D.KAMBER [Dennis] at 18:43 EST OK, I have finally made it beyond the moving walls, climbed some stairs and find I am short a SECOND shell key and what looks like a crystal key (2 keyholes on either side of a glass door). Apparently I missed something on this level. I found the one shell key beyond the three levers in the fireball maze, where did I miss the second one, and where do I find this other, crystal (perhaps) key that I seem to need to progress. Thought I scoured this level pretty well, please send help! ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 267 Fri Dec 27, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 19:05 EST What is new guys ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 268 Fri Dec 27, 1991 JARIK [Scott] at 19:12 EST Dennis -- How did you get past the room with the 5 soft spots, 6 glass walls, 2 pits, and 2 teleporters _on that level_ ??? If I can ever make it thru this, I'll let you know what I end up doing to get to the stairs. Al -- What's new? Check your EMail. [grin] - Scott ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 269 Fri Dec 27, 1991 JARIK [Scott] at 19:16 EST I may have _really_ screwed this one up. Was rifling through the box earlier today (looking for the 900#, which, as it turns out, doesn't even have help for EOBII.) and saw a little piece of paper: IMPORTANT! Do _not_ put your hand into the pedestal with the palm imprint on Silver Tower level 3 (Beholder Level) until you have found the green hammer SHIELDBREAKER. I'm beginning to think that that's the thing I need to get through these glass walls. Is it? - Scott ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 270 Fri Dec 27, 1991 R.SANDERS18 [Rob Sanders] at 19:47 EST Got past the "Mark of Darkmoon" magic mouth, and now I'm running around the blue walled section near the sign that says "Disperse the magic" with no clue what to do. Somebody give me a push! ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 271 Fri Dec 27, 1991 JARIK [Scott] at 19:57 EST Rob, I'll leave a msg in the Spoilers topic (Topic 25). Don't want to give it away here. :) - Scott ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 272 Fri Dec 27, 1991 M.NELSON15 [WARMONGER] at 20:12 EST I too am stuck on the level with the 9 pressure plates... I have solved the riddle of the 9 plates, but am at a loss for the stone gem and the final moon key... I seem to be missing something but I don't know what. HELP!!! Someone alluded to a fact that margoyles might be blocking the secret door. I will search with this in mind... I have also been down to the ant level and I have 3 horns... Is there anything inside those cracks in the stone wall that I should have? Or is it just an Ant generator. Also what is the tar on the floor on the Ant level for? Or is it tar... Answers please, I have been playing for 5 hours now... ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 273 Fri Dec 27, 1991 J.THOMAS69 [Jeff Thomas] at 20:53 EST Al: Thanks for the help on the Horns. Now, I'm having problems with the "True Faith" test. Those light beam columns are zapping the heck out of me. I've tried getting thru by watching for patterns but no dice. Someone mentioned using the "True Seeing" spell in this puzzle. However, I have 2 level-9 Clerics and neither has this spell. Now What???? Jeff T. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 274 Fri Dec 27, 1991 MICHELE-C at 22:52 EST GeeI think I have the Charred Party! Those Beams of light in the True Faith test are killing me... I can't find a pattern.... Help Please!! With the True Seeing spell... Hmm I don't think I have a 9th level Cleric yet... almost... but not yet... This is the next logical course after the level of Fear, right? Thanks for any Help. Michele ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 275 Fri Dec 27, 1991 J.THOMAS69 [Jeff Thomas] at 23:09 EST Michele: I'm passing on what BLUE.GHOST says (and he may have already sent EMAIL to ya): use Bless spell, go left and then right, avoid middle (too hard!). In other words, it seems the "light beam" area isn't the true test of faith area yet - that comes later, I think. And yes, this is the next area to conquer after the Nightmare levels. In fact, you're in the first of 3 towers, the Silver Tower. I've explored and mapped a little bit in this tower, it's HARD! Those Mantis dudes are tough. You probably know all this already, but being in the same predicament as you, I just wanted to be sure that you have the same info as I do. Let me know how it goes! Jeff T. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 276 Sat Dec 28, 1991 K.RANDLES [Nameless] at 00:10 EST ok,hopefully somebody can help me out here. i finally figured out the Nightmare levels(after backtracking to an earlier save,hex editing my save file to give myself a thief,and exploring the upper church levels).I have also finished the Mantis area,and passed the Magic mouth,but I am stuck in the area which says you must have faith(or something like that)can someone help me out with this please - E- mail,here,or spoilers - makes no difference thanx, Nameless ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 277 Sat Dec 28, 1991 D.KAMBER [Dennis] at 02:30 EST OK, at Medusa's place, but with only four shields, had two when I got to the short cut area, found two more in the areas with all the GIANTS.Where did I miss the other two?? By the GIANTS I mean the Guards & Wards area that eventually got me back to the staircase where I needed the SHELL/CRYSTAL key. Any help appreciated!! ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 278 Sat Dec 28, 1991 B.LANGLOIS1 at 03:03 EST I JUST PURCHASED EOB II AND STARTED RUNNING WITH A PARTY TRANSFERED FROM EOB I. THE GAME STARTED OK, BUT WON'T LOAD A SAVED GAME. IT JUST HA HANGS. CAN ANYBODY HELP? I AM RUNNING A 386SX CLONE WITH DOS 5.0 AND 570K FREE MEMORY. EVEN THE QUICK START GAME WON'T LOAD. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 279 Sat Dec 28, 1991 M.NELSON15 [WARMONGER] at 08:15 EST Thanks for the E-mail tips guys... However, I solved the riddle after I killed the margoyle that must have been inside the secret wall, blocking me from entering... B.Langlois1, try setting your files to files=20 in your config.sys... Also try setting you buffers to 15 or so... At the same time as you do all of this, kick out all those extras that you are loading into main ram... Try to free up at least 600k to give you elbow room. Judicious use of the devicehigh and loadhigh commands will save you some memory. Look to your DOS 5.0 docs for details... A hint on the test of faith level... I went into the area that was filled with light beams and before I was toasted I found an axe.... ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 280 Sat Dec 28, 1991 C.YANG6 [Jason Yang] at 08:41 EST Scott : You don't need the green hammer for the six glass walls. Hint : Those two teleporters do not alway teleport things to the same place. Warmonger : There is an illusionary wall at the bottom left of the map. As far as I know, those cracks are just generators. Jeff & Michele : There is a semi-safe path through the electric field. The pads along this path will go on and off in a specific sequence. If you need the specific steps I will post them in the spoiler section. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 281 Sat Dec 28, 1991 MICHELE-C at 12:32 EST I have givin up on going through the beams for now... But after going right then left... I find I need a copper key... Please tell me I don't need to restore an old game PLEASE! Is there one somewhere that I may have missed.... I used all the ones I had. Michele ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 282 Sat Dec 28, 1991 H.MESMAN [Howie] at 16:35 EST I hate to be a "killjoy" but you're going to have to go through the lightbeams sooner or later. The cursed blade "Hunger" needed to feed one of the magic mouths is located beyond the far wall of the lightbeam chamber. As was said - follow the on/off beam path and be ready for a fight - there are 4 mantis at the end of the light beam trail and they're spoling for a fight. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 283 Sat Dec 28, 1991 D.GAMBLIN1 [Darryl] at 17:09 EST Howie, I never went through the beams for "Hunger", I used a diferent cursed weapon to feed the magic mouth later in the game. I'm in the second tower fighting the land sharks and looking for the shell key. So it looks like the blade "Hunger" is not needed. Darryl. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 284 Sat Dec 28, 1991 BLUE.GHOST at 17:23 EST Howie, on the magic mouth level there is a cursed weapon you can use, but you have to find it. Ghost ~~~~~ ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 285 Sat Dec 28, 1991 H.MESMAN [Howie] at 20:46 EST Ok, I've gotten past the Sentry on the Basilisk level and am faced with a door needing a shell and a crystal key. Where they at??? Also, what's needed to get into the crimson key tower (one wall looks like it needs a "sword key" maybe?) ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 286 Sat Dec 28, 1991 JARIK [Scott] at 21:06 EST Howie: Will post the answers over in Spoilers (t25) - S. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 287 Sat Dec 28, 1991 B.LANGLOIS1 [LOTHAR ] at 22:33 EST THANKS FOR THE TIP ON CHANGING FILES AND MEMORY. THAT DID THE TRICK. NOW I AM STUCK. AFTER HAVING CHECKED OUT LEVELS 1 AND 2 OF THE TOWER AND THE FIRST THREE LEVELS OF THE CATACOMBS, I HAVE ONE DARKMOON KEY , HAVE (FINALLY) WIPED OUT THE SKELETAL WARRIORS, BUT CAN'T GET ANY DEEPER IN THE CATACOMBS OR HIGHER IN THE TOWER. ANYONE WITH ANY CLUES PLEASE E-MAIL THEM TO ME. I'M GOING GA- GA STARING AT WALLS AND LOOKING FOR BUTTONS AND SECRET WALLS/DOORS. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 288 Sun Dec 29, 1991 R.PRITCHARD1 [Randy] at 09:47 EST Lothar, have you found the four horns yet? A complete answer has already been given in topic 25. ------------ Category 25, Topic 21 Message 289 Sun Dec 29, 1991 J.BUVEL at 11:13 EST Can someone PLEASE HELP me. I am stuck at the start of the 3rd dungeon level. I cannot find the "GREY?" key needed to unlock the door to get the first skeleton key. I have tried for hours to find it. I have found the prison cells and have been to the spider area. I am desperate!! Please leave the location of this key either in this topic or topic #25. ------------