************ Topic 25 Fri Dec 27, 1991 R.PRITCHARD1 [Randy] at 13:12 EST Sub: EOB II ** SPOILERS ** A place for spoilers and specific answers to Eye of the Beholder II. Do not read further if you only want hints. If your're pulling your hair out, go ahead and go for it. :-} 62 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 1 Fri Dec 27, 1991 R.PRITCHARD1 [Randy] at 13:15 EST I am at the tower level with the mystic mouths. I have solved the puzzle about the parchment and liquid. I'm stuck on the one about the hidden glow from below, and the one about feast and famine. Do I have to go back down to the catacombs? ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 2 Fri Dec 27, 1991 JARIK [Scott] at 17:51 EST Since this is the spoilers topic, I'll post the items I remember that you had to give them. [searching for paper] Ut oh. I can't seem to find my list. [thinks for a moment] Not sure on these, but I believe it was: 5 Rocks, Red gem, Cursed weapon, Rotten food, and I can't remember the rest -- sorry! ANYONE: I'm in the room in the second tower, 3rd level up, I believe. It's the level with the Khelben resurrection scene. The room has 5 soft spots laid down in a + pattern, 6 glass walls, an 2 teleporters, each behind a pit -- HELP!! How do you get through this to the other door? Thanks, - Scott ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 3 Fri Dec 27, 1991 R.SANDERS18 [Rob Sanders] at 18:07 EST Re: the magic mouths - you forgot the Mantis idol (and the aforementioned potion and scroll, of course). Does the cursed weapon have to be the sword named "Hunger"? I was under the impression it did. ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 4 Fri Dec 27, 1991 JARIK [Scott] at 19:13 EST Not sure which one I used -- I may have just had 'hunger' around and tossed him in. :) ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 5 Fri Dec 27, 1991 BLUE.GHOST at 19:34 EST Randy, I guess you haven't found Amber, a female Elf Thief/Mage? Ghost ~~~~~ ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 6 Fri Dec 27, 1991 R.PRITCHARD1 [Randy] at 19:37 EST I found Amber, but you need a thief to pick the lock to get to her, on the second level of the temple. Never have found any of those weird orange keys. ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 7 Fri Dec 27, 1991 JARIK [Scott] at 19:59 EST You know, Randy, I hadn't thought of that. Looks like a little oversight there. (Sure, we'll give you a thief. But only if you have a thief.) Rob (Sanders, from Top 21): To get past the two statues, cast a dispel magic while facing each one. - Scott ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 8 Sat Dec 28, 1991 R.PRITCHARD1 [Randy] at 01:17 EST Jarik, as far as thieves go, you could probably use Insal to pick the locks, before you sleep and he runs off with some of your stuff. If you need the disloyal little thief, before you sleep, just leave your valuable stuff laying on the floor and he want steal it. I've figured out the mouth puzzles, and have entered the beholder area. I've killed a mess of those things. The one stuck in the hole in the ceiling was funny. Does killing helpless monsters make you evil or something. Otherwise why would they put these little scenes in the game. Every monster I've helped has tried to kill me afterward. After wander around on this level I've found the tornado elevator, in the area with false walls. The floor plates seem to make the walls move, is there anything significant here? ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 9 Sat Dec 28, 1991 WINTIR at 01:39 EST I've been stumbling around the Magic Mouth level for a bit now, and have all but the Natures Beauty mouth taken care of. WHERE can I find the item for this particular mouth. My brains must have gone on strike, cause I"m feeling kinda slow about this one item. I've got all the rest of the mouths appeased. :deep sigh: Mark ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 10 Sat Dec 28, 1991 JARIK [Scott] at 02:12 EST Randy: Good point -- I had forgotten about Insal. I suppose he could bbe useful. Don't know about the area with the false walls/floor plates. Personally, I didn't find anything useful there at all, but that may be why I'm having problems now. [shrug] If you find out, _please_ let me know -- thanks! - Scott ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 11 Sat Dec 28, 1991 R.SANDERS18 [Rob Sanders] at 02:32 EST Nature's Beauty - Once you handle the mouth that wants the Mantis idol, a door elsewhere on the level opens. Go back there. If the area you're talking about with the false walls and floor plates is the part marked the "Test of Vision", then YES, the area is useful - it is the end of the silver tower. I solved it just by running through it without mapping, but I think you have to hit 4 floor plates and two hidden buttons. Then the exit opens up. ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 12 Sat Dec 28, 1991 J.CARTER1 [Jim Carter] at 06:39 EST Step on the different + pressure plates and throw/shoot items into the teleporters and look behind the glass walls. Your items are behind there pushing down on pressure plates. ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 13 Sat Dec 28, 1991 D.GREVER1 [MATRIX] at 09:31 EST just found mantis head, assume it solves natures beauty mouth, but where is item from below with hidden glow, (or if the idol is for this mouth, where is natures beauty? ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 14 Sat Dec 28, 1991 R.TRUEMAN1 at 10:35 EST As this topic has just started a list of where all four horns are located would be useful to those of us who are tired of sliding past walls looking for buttons. Somehow ones attention does seem to wander!! ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 15 Sat Dec 28, 1991 JARIK [Scott] at 15:18 EST Ack! Thanks, Jim -- I'll be sure to try that. R.TRUEMAN: You want a list of horns? Let's see here. North Wind: Catacombs, First level down. Southwestern part of map in a guard's bed. East Wind: Catacombs, before first nightmare level. The level where you find Calandra and the millions of Skeletal Warriors. Found in the northeastern section. After the second moon key is used, go N, W, W, W, W, W, W, N. Poof. South Wind: First Nightmare Level. In the south-centre of this level there are 5 pushbutton doors. The second from the bottom has a passage that leads north. You need two moon keys and a spider key. It's right after the spider-locked door. (Following this are some stairs up and some scrolls you can release with a grey key.) West Wind: Second Nightmare level. In a passage to the south about 7 squares long near an ant generator (hole) When you have all the horns, go all the way upstairs via the stairs in the South Wind corridor and toot 'em all at the carving in the main (entry) hall of the temple. Enjoy! ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 16 Sat Dec 28, 1991 R.PRITCHARD1 [Randy] at 15:32 EST You need the crystal hammer from the place with the disapearing walls. You have to go through an illusionary wall, and up a tornado elevator to get it. Then find the exit, something to do with floor plates and buttons on walls, don't know how I hit the right combination. Then you will be faced with a couple of beholders to fight. Put your hand on the pedestal, and you'll wind up back in the temple. Go upstairs to the door where you need the mark of darkmoon and it will open. Then take the crystal hammer and smash the glass shield and it's on to the blue tower. Which is where I'm at now. Anyone know how to get past the glass walls? ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 17 Sat Dec 28, 1991 A.LANGE2 [Alan D.L.] at 16:17 EST I am in the Frost Giants level. I killed off a few after being dropped in here by Dran. Can't get past a set of holes. I want to try the stone dagger and use the gate, but I don't want to do a level backwards. Any suggestions? Alan ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 18 Sat Dec 28, 1991 JARIK [Scott] at 17:08 EST Randy: Really? I could have sworn I used a crystal hammer to get past that shield, and since I'm in the second tower, apparently it wasn't quite as necessary as they'd have had us believe. Which set of glass walls are you referring to? The set with the 3 levers and the pushbutton, or the 5 soft spots in the + formation? Either way, answers to both of those have already been posted either here on in T21. Right now, I'm stuck in the Medusae Maze (argh) and can't seem to find the "trap the ladies...", etc. Am currently saved in front of a pushbutton door that leads to a brick wall and can't seem to get past there. Is it just me or are the walls really moving, making mapping here a REAL pain. - Scott ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 19 Sat Dec 28, 1991 J.CARTER1 [Jim Carter] at 17:38 EST All: Here's the Hex code for some items for those of you that would like to spice up your weaker characters. Remember to back up your *.SAV file before you edit it! Better safe than sorry. 1F 01 - +3 Platemail E7 00 - +3 Cloak 70 01 - +3 Shield 41 01 - +3 Short Sword 75 00 - Raise Dead Scroll F9 00 - True Seeing Scroll I have plenty more than this if any one is interested. Just let me know if you want them or need help. ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 20 Sat Dec 28, 1991 J.CARTER1 [Jim Carter] at 18:08 EST Scott: There's a long north/south hallway in the Medusa maze that flips your characters around (watch your compass). You can eventually reach it from the maze entrance (polished shield room) by constantly sticking to your left as you go through the maze. There's a tooth key somewhere in the Medusa maze also. ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 21 Sat Dec 28, 1991 JARIK [Scott] at 18:17 EST Jim - Gracias! I think I know the area you're talking about -- Longish hallway. Now that I look at the map, everything on the other side is the same as the side I entered. [smack] Thanks! Have you seen item 4100 - Tuning Fork? [Once I figured it out -- I just _had_ to see what all the items were...grin] - Scott ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 22 Sat Dec 28, 1991 M.NELSON15 [WARMONGER] at 18:58 EST I need some help with the Vison Test area... What is the correct pattern of floor plates and pressing that small button on the wall...? How do I get out of here? Someone said something about putting my hand in the place I got the green crystal hammer from... I will go up the tornado door and try it... Help! ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 23 Sat Dec 28, 1991 J.BUVEL at 19:09 EST I need some very basic HELP! I am at the start of the third dungeon level and am stuck. I cannot find any skelton keys or the key to open the round black lock. I have found the secret passage to the prisons and have gotten thn the bones. I also found the secret passage linking the prisons with the room with the round black key hole. Am I missing another secret passage or a place where I can get one of the keys that I need. SOMEONE PLEASE HELP>! [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C? [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [D [Kthat I need. SOMEONE PLEASE HJ ELP [A [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [C [CELP!! ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 24 Sat Dec 28, 1991 MICHELE-C at 19:34 EST Ok I found another green key and made it up to the Wasp level.. but other then killing wasps I find nothing else to do and none of the keys I have on me will unlock that gate!!! Please someone Help!! Michele ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 25 Sat Dec 28, 1991 A.LANGE2 [Alan D.L.] at 19:45 EST There should be another bone key near the wasp's nest or nearby. I am at the coin slots in the red tower. I got 2 coins, neither fits. What did I miss? BTW, that ring master drove me crazy for a bit. Glad I finally got it . Alan ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 26 Sat Dec 28, 1991 BLUE.GHOST at 19:50 EST J.Buvel, you have to go into the large Skeleton Warrior room to get the Blue key. Go on the stairs on level 3 and walk into the room and turn right and go down the halls until you see the skull keyhole. Use the skull key and run! Ghost ~~~~~ ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 27 Sat Dec 28, 1991 BLUE.GHOST at 20:00 EST Michele, you have to try a little harder. Keep looking, you can do it. Ghost ~~~~~ ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 28 Sat Dec 28, 1991 R.PRITCHARD1 [Randy] at 20:07 EST I'm in the tower level where you need the mark to get past it. I've finished the challenge of the magic mouths and gotten the talon key. I can't get past the sentry. Also, is there anything else in the fire trap area? ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 29 Sat Dec 28, 1991 JARIK [Scott] at 21:19 EST Howie: [Fwd from T21] You're going to have to do the rest of that level first. there are a series of teleporters on this level, the shell key is after you jump through either the first or second. The crystal key MAY be found near one of the polished shields -- I'm not sure. Hopefully, you have a cleric with True Sight on this one, because there's at least one shield hidden behind a fake wall. To get into the crimson tower, you need all the parts of Talon. Namely, the Tounge (blade), hilt, and Eye. Put the 3 in there, and voila. J.BUVEL: First off, PLEASE do not try to edit your messages with the arrow keys at the bottom of your keyboard! Every tim you hit the backspace key there, it actually shows up to the rest of us as [D [D [D.. (Read your msg 23 to see what I mean. ;) You may have made the same mistake I made and may have used the first copper key you got on the wrong door. If that's the case, you'll have to load an older game or start new. You said you have moved down a few levels in the catacombs -- In the level with the spiders, there is one copper key, and on the level 2 above that, be sure to search all of the beds )actuall, be sure to do that on all the levels that HAVE beds.) Luck! Alan - You got the ``MAPAJ'', whatever that is, right? How DID you get past the 'ring master'? And what is there to get past? That's where I'm sitting right now -- Found the generator for cure poison keys -- that was fun for a little while. [grin] Right now, I'm just bouncing back and forth between those 3 levels (3sets of stairs, anyway.) managed to figure out the teleporters on the level with the alcove. Noticed that the alcove starts eating things eventually, reloaded, etc, etc. What now? Any hints appreciated. Randy: To get past the sentry, step on the plate farthest back and left (facing the sentry wall), Turn right, throw 2 items -- sentry should move towards that side. Once it's all the way to the right, you're clear to move up. (Note: Make sure you don't need those items) You'll then see a hole in the wall for the Eye -- Put it in, take it out, poof. Open door. - Scott ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 30 Sat Dec 28, 1991 JARIK [Scott] at 21:52 EST Let's see here. Got ``Mapaj'', whatever that's supposed to be , and am currently stuck on the riddles "I am the ringmaster, watch me fly" or whatever, and "One ring to join them all!". If I didn't know better, I'd have to say that those message-plates look like they have coin slots on the top of them. I'm assuming that something has to be done with that little alcove, since I'm hearing footsteps the loudest there and have since cleared the rest of the level. Tried putting that Mapaj thing in the alcove, and the alcove ate it. Interestingly enough, the alcove wouldn't eat keys or picks -- everything else. Gulp. Got a kick out of the proper application of the ``sticky paper'' too. [grin] Anyone? Anyone? (Bueller?) - Scott ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 31 Sat Dec 28, 1991 A.LANGE2 [Alan D.L.] at 22:08 EST Put the stickky paper on the floor by the jumping items in the ring-master hall, on the same side as the items. They stick to the paper, you get 2 Crimson rings. Haven't gotten past the 2 doors with coin slots by them. In the other part of the red tower the alcove (triangular) was giving me fireball globes. Alan ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 32 Sat Dec 28, 1991 J.CARTER1 [Jim Carter] at 22:20 EST Scott: Those are coin slots, but you don't have the right coin. When you find a 2nd coin, look for someone who wants them. He'll trade you your 2 coins for a coin that'll fit those slots. ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 33 Sat Dec 28, 1991 JARIK [Scott] at 22:24 EST Argh! WHERe on earth do you get the right coin? Been running through here for a little too long for my liking now. Please, someone, spoil the fun for me. [grin] - Scott ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 34 Sat Dec 28, 1991 D.KAMBER [Dennis] at 22:45 EST Will somebody PLEASE post the locations of the 6 polished shields?? Thanks. ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 35 Sat Dec 28, 1991 R.SANDERS18 [Rob Sanders] at 22:57 EST D.Kamber: I agree. WHERE ARE THE SHIELDS?!? Also, could someone tell me where all the mage scrolls are? My mage has no 5th level spells memorized because I've never found any on a scroll! If anyone knows where I can find some well- hidden spells, please let me know. ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 36 Sat Dec 28, 1991 J.BUVEL at 23:28 EST BLUE.GHOST, I must be still missing something. Where do I get a skull keyy? I have extra copper keys but cannot find any skull or blue keys. I have e been in the spider area and checked under the beds. I also have a thief in my party. I found the key to start going up in the temple and have gone through the temple as far as I could including the 3x3 room. I am desperate PLEASE HELP!! ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 37 Sat Dec 28, 1991 J.BUVEL at 23:32 EST JARIK, thank you for the advise on messages. I have extra copper keys. I had already found the ones you mentioned plus my thief had picked some of t the locks that used copper keys. What I cannot find is any skull keys. Where do you find your first one. I AM DESPERATE, PLEASE HELP!! ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 38 Sun Dec 29, 1991 A.LANGE2 [Alan D.L.] at 00:49 EST Who will trade me for coins? Where? Alan ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 39 Sun Dec 29, 1991 JARIK [Scott] at 00:53 EST 3x3 room in the temple? For some reason, I don't seem to have seen that -- is it a hidden one, and if so, where is it? Skull key.. In the catacombs, one level down, there should be stairs leading down, facing north, in the centre of the map. Down those stairs, there should be a room that you need a grey key to get into. Now I'm not sure if there's a Skull or a Skull Key in there, but since I made a note on my map, I'm going to assume it's a skull key. Hm.. Now I notice another note that I made. 2 levels down, on the level with all of the undead, owards the southwest is a corridor of 7 doors (3 north and 4 south) The door farthest to the west on the north wall leads to a small chamber. I also made the notation SKULL there, so we'll assume that I'm talking about keys. I also see a notation near the fireball trap on that level (pull the lever, get hit by a fireball) near the northwest side. The notation says, "Use first Skull Key here!" Oh. I know why, that will lead you to millions of skeletal warriors, and finally your first dark moon key. (See early in topic 21 for hints on the skeletal warriors) Hope that helps a bit, - Scott ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 40 Sun Dec 29, 1991 WINTIR at 01:09 EST Well, buttons are a lot of the problem, but keep in mind those illusionary walls. They seem to be used a lot more in this Temple. Mark ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 41 Sun Dec 29, 1991 C.YANG6 [Jason Yang] at 04:15 EST Scott & Alan : Two levels below the doors needing the coin, there is a level with lots of rearranging walls. There is a 'guy' at the north west corner of the map that will trade you for the right coin. Keep moving around until the path to the north west corner opens up. Shields : 1. On the level BELOW the level with basilisks, there is an illusionary wall on the east side of the large room west on the map. The teleporter leads to a medusa shield. 2. On the level with the basilisks and bulettes; the shield is on the very north of the room with all the fireball traps. 3. South of the fireball traps room, a magic mouth will challenge you. Accept and meet the challenge and you will get Eye of Talon as well as another shield. 4. On the level with the elephant monsters, the fourth shield is in a room to the east of the two monsters standing as guards (in front of the teleporter). 5. On the same level, the fifth shield is in the large room with the Starfire scepter (north-west on the map). 6. Also on the same level, before the door where Kelben appeared and gave the party an amulet, there is an illusionary wall on the west side of the corridor. The sixth shield lies behind the illusionary wall (center-south on the map). ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 42 Sun Dec 29, 1991 JARIK [Clueless] at 04:53 EST Rearranging walls? Really? I never noticed any. You mean down the stairs from he entry room ion there? Hm. Will have to go check -- thanks! - Scott ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 43 Sun Dec 29, 1991 JARIK [Clueless] at 06:06 EST Jason, Been 'wandering' since I read your message and haven't noticed _any_ moving walls, much less a little guy who has an affinity for coins. Are we talking about the same level? "2 levels below the coin slots," to me, means the stairs down from the main entryway where you run into that guy who drops the flail. I didn't really find anything else useful there. The level is so small, I'll even do a quick map of it. (X = pathway) XXXXX X X X XXXXXX XX X X XXXXX->Stairs Up X X XXX It all seemed pretty constant to me -- nothing moving. Last level I remember things moving around was that 'vision test.' Am I headed in the right direction here? Thanks, - Scott ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 44 Sun Dec 29, 1991 D.GREVER1 [MATRIX] at 09:22 EST Problem, I had to start this game with new characters, and although I'm at the Basilik level now, they have not advanced further than about 195,000 exp. points, needless to say, I do not have key spells yet such as stone to flesh or true sight....How can i boost exp. quickly, short of going back and fight monsters endlessly until i catch up. I know about Alain, but he only advances you one level, big deal, takes my level 9 mage and turns him into 10, no I'll hold off and use him for going from 11 to 12. Any suggestions out there????? ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 45 Sun Dec 29, 1991 R.PRITCHARD1 [Randy] at 09:49 EST Where is this alain guy that everyone keeps mentioning? ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 46 Sun Dec 29, 1991 BLUE.GHOST at 10:10 EST If you didn't bring over your EOB I super characters with all of their weapons and wands etc... this game is really hard for a new set of characters. The game should have come with a character editor to make your characters equal to what the EOB I characters would be. Ghost ~~~~~ ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 47 Sun Dec 29, 1991 J.BUVEL at 10:26 EST JARIK, thank you for the help with the skull keys. I guess however that my problem is that I do no know where to find the "GREY" key. Do you remember where it is? The 3x3 room is 1 level up in the temple. If you destroy all the statues there is a secret door behind one of them. In the room there is a teleporter that takes you to the 3X3 room with the soft center. ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 48 Sun Dec 29, 1991 H.MESMAN [Howie] at 10:38 EST Thanks for the data on the Talon "sword" key. I had to go on a destructive tear to finally get a cleric with truing seeing and now that I've got it I STILL can't find the other shell and crystal keys. I found the shell key in the firemaze and got a crystal key when I "offed" the bulette guarding the Sentry room. I've been through the rest of the tower and at this point have 3 medusa shields and the Eye of Talon. Still can't find the other shell and crystal keys. AAARRRGGG!!!!! ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 49 Sun Dec 29, 1991 D.KAMBER [Dennis] at 10:53 EST Jason - Thanks for spelling out the shield locations, time to go back and find the two I'm missing so I can get on with the game! Thanks again! ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 50 Sun Dec 29, 1991 VANDER-JACK at 11:40 EST As I received the game a bit later than you fellows, I'm afraid I need more help than I can give. I'm stumped for the first time on the nightmare level. I have one darkmoon key, have swept the ant level, and have opened the spider doors. I just need (I think) to open the second darkmoon door. I'm holding off on the fight with all the margoyles that guard the cursed sword and other items (my best saved game will still probably end with character death), but I don't recall seeing a darkmoon key over there. Can someone tell me how to find the second key? ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 51 Sun Dec 29, 1991 A.LANGE2 [Alan D.L.] at 13:20 EST The coin exchange room is 1 level below 2 doors opened by coin-slots, not key- holes. It is all past the crimson ring warps. I am now stuck fighting mindflayers. Seems to be no end to them. I kill and kill, but they keep coming. Hints? For gaining ExP, you can only fight monsters unless you hex-edit. I prefer to fight creatures. Here is a list of their ExP values; Aerial servant=2500, Ant=8, Basilisk=243, Beholder=3500, Bullette=1000, Gas spore=30, Gel cube=243, Hell hound=106, Mantis=350, Margoyle=243, Skeleton Warrior=500, Flying snake=105, Spider=162, Wasp=105, Wisp=750, Wolf=16, Human warrior=162, Priest=500, Cleric=500, Mage=1125, Talon ( elephant nose)=2750, Giant=1750, Salamander=500, Medusa=500, Mindflayer =2000. Those are the ones I have seen so far. There are 2 different types of mages in the red tower. Ones with faces, whose value I gave, and ones with dark hoods, who I couldn't stop and check (they were too tough and dangerous ). Alan ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 52 Sun Dec 29, 1991 BLUE.GHOST at 13:37 EST I'd like to thank everyone who helped me with the challenge sequence, specialy you Scott! Ghost ~~~~~ ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 53 Sun Dec 29, 1991 JARIK [Clueless] at 14:39 EST Ghost: You're welcome! Alan: "One level below two doors opened by coin slots." I'm assuming here that the coin slots are the messages on the walls themselves. Am I wrong? Mind giving _explicit_ directions to the place where the exchange is to take place? Apparently I'm got some kind of mind- block here that isn't letting me figure this one out. - S. ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 54 Sun Dec 29, 1991 J.BUVEL at 15:07 EST I AM DESPERATE. Where do you get the "GREY?" key to get into the room to get get the first skeleton key on the third dungeon level. I have not been ab able to find any skeleton keys and have been told that one is behind the door that must be opened with the grey key. Where is this key??? HELP!! ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 55 Sun Dec 29, 1991 ALCHEMEDES at 15:12 EST ARRRGH! With the non ending of EOB1, I was sure that the characters wouldn't be portable. So I erased them 4-ever. (sigh) Starting out with these wimpy characters, while level 10 characters with plus 5 weapons were possible is maddening! Has anyone got a character editor they could put up in the library? I saw the information on changing the files, and I have Norton, but I wouldn't know a hex from a hoax!! Still, if someone could walk me thru it, I would love to give changing it a try. Anxiously awaiting a reply.......Thanks in advance!!! ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 56 Sun Dec 29, 1991 BLUE.GHOST at 15:47 EST J.Buvel, if you haven't fought any Skeleton Warriors your not in the right part of the catacombs. Go back up to the temple and map it down again. Drop something to make a trail to see where you have been so you don't go the same way twice. Ghost ~~~~~ ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 57 Sun Dec 29, 1991 J.BUVEL at 16:28 EST BLUE GHOST, I am at the start of the third dungeon level. You enter into a big room. To the right is a room with a lever fireball trap and a door that needs a skeleton key. There is also a secret door to the right that has another secret door in it that opens into prisons. In the prisons their is another door that needs a skeleton key. To the left of the main room is a maze that opens into a 3x2 room. There is a door here that needs a grey(?) key. This is where I am stuck. I do not know where to find any skeleton keys or the grey key. People told me there is a skeleton key behind the door that needs the grey key. PLEASE HELP!!! ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 58 Sun Dec 29, 1991 A.GIOVETTI [Al Giovetti] at 17:14 EST This is the answer to the, two teleporters, five pressure plates and the six glass wall puzzle: Item 1345738 91/12/29 16:48 From: A.GIOVETTI Alfred C. Giovetti To: JARIK Scott N. Hartsman cc: A.GIOVETTI Alfred C. Giovetti Sub: Eye of the Beholder II depress the north and east plate and throw an item thru the north east teleporter. depress the central and east pressure plate and throw an item thru the north teleporter. depress the east and south pressure plate and throw an item through the north teleporter. depress the south and west plate and throw thru the south west teleporter. Then the east and central plate and throw item at south teleporter. Then depress the east and south plate and throw an item..... ---------- ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 59 Sun Dec 29, 1991 R.SANDERS18 [Rob Sanders] at 17:16 EST J.Buvel - I found 4 grey keys on the 1st dungeon level: One with the two guards in the western passage, one on the shelf next to Insal's cell, and two with a group of guards in the eastern passage through the door just past the lever/pit trap. Did you find all of those? .......... ANYONE - HELP! I am stuck in the 3x4 moving pit room on the elephant- nose level. I've gone past the snake's head carving, down the stairs and across the underside of the room, but according to the map I drew there doesn't seem to be a way across. Do I have to do something to alter the pit cycle, or am I just missing the path? ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 60 Sun Dec 29, 1991 J.BUVEL at 17:24 EST ROB SANDI guess that I am not looking for a grey key. I did find those keys. I need either the first skeleton key or the key to the round black with yellow ring keyhole to the left of the main room, through the small maze, at the beginning of the third dungeon level. HELP!! ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 61 Sun Dec 29, 1991 MICHELE-C at 17:54 EST Well the Magic mouths have got me... I have answered most but two have got me stuck... "Items born of greed, are what I need. One for each year, And one less for fear." "I must have the blade which has eaten so much! I must have the one which I fear not to touch!" Could someone help me with these... Please... Michele ------------ Category 25, Topic 25 Message 62 Sun Dec 29, 1991 BLUE.GHOST at 18:27 EST J.Buvel....... xxxxxxxx x . .> fireball trap and to the keyhole. x . xxxx You have to fight the Skeleton xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx . x Warriors here. If you fight them x . x you might get a key. x ^ x ________________________________ x x . x--- x . . <... stairs down level three x x x--- _______________________ x x x x x x Ghost xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ~~~~~ ------------ REPly to topic, QUIt reading STArt new topic, #,#-# read prior PERmanently ignore this topic or to continue ?