Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk From: mitcheec@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (Elliott Mitchell) Subject: New, Improved Modem Tax! Message-ID: <6JUL199311574354@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu> News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Keywords: paranoia, bigotry, nimy, tax-and-spend, tax-him-not-me Sender: news@news.vanderbilt.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu Organization: Vanderbilt University Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1993 16:57:00 GMT Lines: 112 Here's a little item that came my way via the Fidonet this AM. At first I thought it was the usual Modem Tax Scare document, but it looks like a new one. Subject: MODEM TAX To: All From: Dana Holt Date: 7/6/93 8:15:44 AM ------------------------------------------- FROM: DAVID JAMES Area # 157 ( BBSAdverti ) TO: ALL MSG # 447, Jul-3-93 9:49pm SUBJECT: ******* READ THIS!!!!!! * * Message originally: From: Ravenna Michelle To : All Date: 07-01-93 Area: "CFR_SYSCHAT: Sysop Chat" * Forwarded by David James using RemoteAccess 1.11 More interesting info....about taxing our modems... * Message originally: From: Chuck Haynes To : All Date: 06-29-93 Area: "PAGANSYS" * Forwarded by Ravenna Michelle using RemoteAccess 1.11 FMPT 68PID: TPBEdit 7.3 Original in : AEN_NEWS Echo Original from: LINDA THOMPSON Original to : ALL Original date: 29 Jun 93, 01:40 Please Cross-post -- RELEVANT TO EVERY BBS IN THE COUNTRY! ************************ AEN ALERT **************************** CALL/FAX/COMPUSERVE YOUR CONGRESSMAN TODAY!!!! *************************************************************** June 25, 1993 WASHINGTON - The Senate moved toward approving its version of President's Clinton's budget package early this morning, a move that is expected to set the stage for a showdown over "hidden taxes" and spending in a House-Senate conference committee. At which time, conservatives in the senate say they will fight efforts to increase taxes and spending which they say is hidden in the legislation. Singled out was $60 million to be used to finance the National Data Network that Vice-President Gore is a supporter of. **************** HERE'S THE PART YOU WANNA CALL ABOUT ************* The $60 million is to be raised by the imposition of a tax on the manufacturers of telecommunications hardware and by fees on the users of such equipment, known as modems. "We used the Pittman- Robertson act, which finances conservation efforts through a tax on firearms and ammunition, as a model," said Congressional spokesperson Bonnie Houck. "The people purchasing and using this type of equipment are affluent and well off. It's fair, it's not taxation, this is a progressive measure that asks the users of a resource to pay for the costs of that resource." Clinton Administration spokesperson J. R. Dobbs cautioned against calling the fees a tax; "Inaccurate buzz words like `modem fees' and allusions to `modem taxes' produce knee-jerk reactions that short-circuit constructive inquiry into a vital public issue. Telecommunications users from all sectors - educators, small business, local governments, public service entities. liraries and recreational users - should take strong interest in how the next generation of telecommunications networks will be developed and financed. The newly authorized user fees are concealed in an obscure *************** HERE'S THE REFERENCE NUMBER: ***************** line item (Docket 37-42 of the Data Communications Network Architecture, or DCNA proposal), "the implications of which NO ONE at this time fully understands," according to noted MIT communications policy expert James Parry. These changes would require telecommunications users to pay "usage sensitive" carrier charges. Roger Carasso is a special assistant to the chief of the Common Carrier Bureau at the FCC. He said it made sense that someone using a 14,400 bps modem pay more than someone using a 2400 bps modem. He also commented that it was good policy to have the fees collected by modem manufacturers and the regional Bell operating companies (RBOC's). "That way the users don't see the government involved in the same old `tax and spend'. In this case the users can take pride in the fact that they are, in fact, directly financing the new `data superhighway' while, at the same time, freeing up scarce government resources for truly necessary social programs such as Medicare, food stamps and education." --- GEcho 1.00 .. *Stacker?! -> I just use del c:\windoze\*.* POOF! 5 Megs!* --- via Silver Xpress V3.02 --- EDorQWK 1.00 * Origin: The NEW WorkBench BBS - 615-256-2211 - (1:116/1000.0) -- + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - | Elliott Mitchell Vanderbilt University Nashville, Tenn. | IN: mitcheec@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu | BN: MITCHEEC@VUCTRVAX | | I had my bases covered but the game turned out to be football... ------------------------------- Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk From: slf@netcom.com (Sharon Fisher) Subject: Re: New, Improved Modem Tax! Message-ID: Keywords: paranoia, bigotry, nimy, tax-and-spend, tax-him-not-me Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <6JUL199311574354@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1993 18:17:40 GMT Lines: 2 This is a *joke*. It was debunked in comp.dcom.telecom. ------------------------------- Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk From: mitcheec@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (Elliott Mitchell) Subject: Re: New, Improved Modem Tax! Message-ID: <6JUL199314000827@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu> News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Keywords: paranoia, bigotry, nimy, tax-and-spend, tax-him-not-me Sender: news@news.vanderbilt.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu Organization: Vanderbilt University References: <6JUL199311574354@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1993 19:00:00 GMT Lines: 14 In article , slf@netcom.com (Sharon Fisher) writes... >This is a *joke*. It was debunked in comp.dcom.telecom. > Sorry to be such a pest but I can't find that article on our newsreader. Any ideas where I can recover it? tnx. -- + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - | Elliott Mitchell Vanderbilt University Nashville, Tenn. | IN: mitcheec@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu | BN: MITCHEEC@VUCTRVAX | | I had my bases covered but the game turned out to be football... ------------------------------- From: ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis) Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk Subject: Re: New, Improved Modem Tax! Date: 6 Jul 1993 19:14:22 GMT Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <6JUL199311574354@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: loiosh.eff.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-reply-to: mitcheec@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu's message of Tue, 6 Jul 1993 16:57:00 GMT Docket number 37-42, huh? (1937, yeah right.) J. R. Dobbs? (Commonly known as "Bob".) Roger Carasso works at the FCC? (See alt.sex.carasso.snuggles for more info.) Major net.in-joke, and you forgot to include the McElwaine ending: Unaltered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION (etc) -- * Christopher Davis * * * [CKD1] * MIME * RIPEM * "Those who cannot remember history are doomed to repost it every month, with diffs marked with change bars." --Ed Vielmetti ------------------------------- Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk From: lscheer@netcom.com (Lyle Scheer) Subject: Re: New, Improved Modem Tax! Message-ID: Keywords: paranoia, bigotry, nimy, tax-and-spend, tax-him-not-me Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) References: <6JUL199311574354@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu> Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1993 20:27:52 GMT Lines: 11 mitcheec@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (Elliott Mitchell) writes: [snip, snip] > Clinton Administration spokesperson J. R. Dobbs cautioned ^^^"Bob"^^^ Oh my, I see that the church of the subgenious has now infiltrated the white house. All hail Eris! - Lyle ------------------------------- Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk From: wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (Bill Stewart +1-908-949-0705) Subject: Re: New, Improved Modem Tax! Organization: Electronic Birdwatching Society Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1993 01:23:27 GMT Message-ID: In-Reply-To: mitcheec@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu's message of Tue, 6 Jul 1993 16:57:00 GMT References: <6JUL199311574354@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu> Sender: news@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (NetNews Administrator) Nntp-Posting-Host: rainier.ho.att.com Lines: 10 That was a *nice* hoax. Not only is it highly believable that the Clintonians would do that sort of thing, since they've done it with a number of other projects, but it also drops a lot of well-known names like LINDA THOMPSON (firearms enthusiast lawyer) and James Parry ("Kibo"!), as well as the previously noted J. R. "Bob" Dobbs and Roger Carasso. Getting the National Data Network for $60M would be a good trick, too :-) -- # Pray for peace; Bill # Bill Stewart 1-908-949-0705 wcs@anchor.att.com AT&T Bell Labs 4M312 Holmdel NJ # White House Comment Line 1-202-456-1111 fax 1-202-456-2461 ------------------------------- Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk From: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders) Subject: Re: New, Improved Modem Tax! References: <6JUL199311574354@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu> Organization: St Dismas' Home for the Incurably Informed Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1993 00:50:08 GMT Message-ID: <1993Jul7.005008.2700@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca> Lines: 13 ckd@eff.org (Christopher Davis) writes: >Docket number 37-42, huh? (1937, yeah right.) >J. R. Dobbs? (Commonly known as "Bob".) >Roger Carasso works at the FCC? (See alt.sex.carasso.snuggles for more info.) >Major net.in-joke, and you forgot to include the McElwaine ending: >Unaltered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION (etc) It's also nice to see James (kibo) Parry got a job with MIT as a communications expert. -- John Henders GO/MU/E d* -p+ c+++ l++ t- m* s/++ g+ w+++ -x+ ------------------------------- Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk From: dwilson@dante.page1.com (David Wilson) Subject: Re: New, Improved Modem Tax! Message-ID: <1993Jul7.141602.19190@nntpxfer.psi.com> Sender: news@nntpxfer.psi.com Nntp-Posting-Host: dante.page1.com Organization: Performance Systems Int'l References: <6JUL199311574354@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1993 14:16:02 GMT Lines: 9 In article <6JUL199311574354@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu> mitcheec@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu (Elliott Mitchell) writes: "We used the Pittman- > Robertson act, which finances conservation efforts through a tax on > firearms and ammunition, as a model," said Congressional > spokesperson Bonnie Houck. There is no such thing as a "Congressional spokesperson." Get a life. ------------------------ Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk From: jongsma@esseye.si.com (Ken Jongsma) Subject: Re: New, Improved Modem Tax! Message-ID: <1993Jul7.164932.11427@esseye.si.com> Keywords: paranoia, bigotry, nimy, tax-and-spend, tax-him-not-me Reply-To: jongsma@tws4.si.com Organization: Smiths Industries References: <6JUL199311574354@ctrvx1.vanderbilt.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1993 16:49:32 GMT Lines: 14 Please don't post trash like this without verifying it first. It's wrong. It's not true. It's a joke. You were taken in by it. -- Ken Jongsma Smiths Industries jongsma@swdev.si.com Grand Rapids, Michigan 73115.1041@compuserve.com -------------------------------