From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Thu Apr 4 11:41:53 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Thu, 04 Apr 91 21:31:59 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa13636; Thu, 4 Apr 91 11:41:52 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA00292; Thu, 4 Apr 91 06:12:27 -0500 Message-Id: <9104041112.AA00292@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 6455; Thu, 04 Apr 91 06:10:57 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 8438; Thu, 04 Apr 91 06:10:06 EST Date: Thu, 4 Apr 91 05:59:09 GMT Reply-To: Sean Petty Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: Sean Petty Subject: Re: April Fool? was: IMPORTANT, HAMS, SWL, SCANNER... To: Lee Reynolds irving@starfish.Convergent.COM (Don Irving) writes: > I have seen several follow-ups to this article, but no one has yet suggested > whether it may be an April Fools prank. That was my first reaction, and I > expected it to be put down quickly. But it hasn't. Everybody is ranting. > > How about it? Those of you who keep track of the FCC and the political > process -- Are our legs being pulled on this one? A non-alarmed (for now) > person who owns seven scanners would kind of like to know. > NO NO NO!! THIS IS ABSOLUTELY *REAL*!! The FCC has actually proposed this, well, they haven't, it was introduced by an attorney named Eric Malinen and it was endorsed and an inquiry was started by the FCC. A recent newsflash in Monitoring Times reads: PRESSTOP! FCC May Ban Police, Fire, Medical Monitoring! "The Federal Communications Commission has begun a formal inquiry into the feasibility of removing police, fire and emergency medical frequencies from all scanners and amateur transceivers. Introduced by attorney Eric Malinen, the measure was endorsed and inquiry approved unamimously by the FCC commissioners. The Commission is now polling manufacturers of scanning receivers as to the cost of excluding public safety frequencies." DO YOU BELIEVE THIS? Are they serious? What do they intend to do about all the scanners and other recievers out there already? As well, how do they intend to enforce this new law? Will it be another ECPA?? Let's hear from everyone about this one. This will definately require the attention of all hobbyists interested in preserving the hobby! Sean ---- Sean Petty |INTERNET: undrground!seanp@amix.commodore.com | UUCP: uunet!cbmvax!amix!undrground!seanp "In order to make anything from | ICBM: 39.58.1' North 75.61.1' West scratch, you must first create | 50/50: seanp@undrground.UUCP the universe." - Carl Sagan | seanp@amix.commodore.com From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Thu Apr 4 15:46:36 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Thu, 04 Apr 91 21:32:10 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa19579; Thu, 4 Apr 91 15:46:36 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA28410; Thu, 4 Apr 91 10:19:18 -0500 Message-Id: <9104041519.AA28410@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 6620; Thu, 04 Apr 91 10:17:52 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 9110; Thu, 04 Apr 91 10:16:03 EST Date: Thu, 4 Apr 91 04:48:09 GMT Reply-To: "James R. Duncan" Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: "James R. Duncan" Subject: Re: rec.radio.* reorganization To: Lee Reynolds In article rko@cs.tut.fi (Risto Kotalampi) writes: >I suggest that we reorganize rec.radio.shortwave and rec.radio.noncomm >as follows : > > rec.radio.broadcasting > rec.radio.utility > This would seem to be a very logical reorganization. It would end up very lopsided, however, if international shortwave, regional MW and VHF broadcasting ended up in one group while the .utility group covered just scanners (I guess that's what you mean). The .shortwave group seems to be functioning just fine as it is now. I think we just need to come up with titling that could adequately name a group dealing with regional (noninternational) broadcasting, whether commercial or noncommercial. l -- KUFX | w ["] | WA6MBV 94.5 |.. |___|_____..duncan@bolero.ati.com | Jim Duncan FM | H | +1 408 297 5977 \_____I_____/ 37 3 10N/121 59 10W --------------- From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Thu Apr 4 17:50:21 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Thu, 04 Apr 91 21:32:19 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa23075; Thu, 4 Apr 91 17:50:19 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA15702; Thu, 4 Apr 91 11:34:22 -0500 Message-Id: <9104041634.AA15702@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 6698; Thu, 04 Apr 91 11:33:02 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 9366; Thu, 04 Apr 91 11:31:40 EST Date: Thu, 4 Apr 91 15:38:44 GMT Reply-To: John Mayson Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: John Mayson Subject: Re: rec.radio.* reorganization To: Lee Reynolds I'm against seperating any of this at all. I'm a DC-to-Daylight listener and I don't want to have to check 9 different news groups everyday. It's easy enough to just skip over articles that don't have anything to do with your favorite part of the electromagnetic spectrum. Thanks -- =============================================================================== =John Mayson Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - uucp : ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt3491a Internet : gt3491a@prism.gatech.edu Ham Radio : KC4VJO =============================================================================== = From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Thu Apr 4 17:50:23 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Thu, 04 Apr 91 21:32:20 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa23087; Thu, 4 Apr 91 17:50:22 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA17141; Thu, 4 Apr 91 11:40:18 -0500 Message-Id: <9104041640.AA17141@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 6718; Thu, 04 Apr 91 11:38:48 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 9424; Thu, 04 Apr 91 11:37:17 EST Date: Thu, 4 Apr 91 14:50:50 GMT Reply-To: grx0644%UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: grx0644%UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Subject: Ohio Turnpike Repeaters To: Lee Reynolds I have a question about the Ohio Turnpike and how they operate their communications. Here is what I have come up with and I trust that anyone with a better understanding how this whole thing works will comment via reply or post. I travel the Ohio Turnpike a lot. I usually carry my scanner in my car (Pro2005) for various reasons. My car is not a very fast one, so I want to be up front, I don't do much speeding (the car would not last above 65 Mph!!!) Anyways, The Ohio State Highway Patrol (OSHP) uses 2 freq. that I can usually hear the exact same thing being said, with one freq being clearer. Sometimes, I can only copy one freq and not the other. You can always hear one channel and sometimes both from the Indianna border to the Pa border. Their central dispatch is in Berea OH (near cleveland). With that, I am interested in knowing if this repeater system works as follows: The patrol cars transmit on freq A. The repeater retransmits traffic on channel A on channel B. The next repeater down the road picks up channel B and A and retransmits on channel C. The repeater that retransmits on channel A also receives channel C as well as A. All this to accomplish a state-wide repeater system to allow units on the IN side of the Ohio Turnpike to hear what's up on the Pa side and also to allow a central dispatch center. Is the above system possible? Does anyone know for sure if this actually operates this way?? If now, then how? etc?!?!?!! Thanks for any help in understanding how this works....... Tony +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Anthony Paul Schliesser GRX0644@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU| |The University of Toledo GRX0644@UOFT02.BITNET | |College of Pharmacy FAC2966@UOFT01.UTOLEDO.EDU| | FAC2966@UOFT01.BITNET | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Thu Apr 4 17:50:26 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Thu, 04 Apr 91 21:32:21 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa23103; Thu, 4 Apr 91 17:50:25 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA17654; Thu, 4 Apr 91 11:42:51 -0500 Message-Id: <9104041642.AA17654@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 6741; Thu, 04 Apr 91 11:41:28 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 9498; Thu, 04 Apr 91 11:40:47 EST Date: Thu, 4 Apr 91 14:18:12 GMT Reply-To: Larry Hunter Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: Larry Hunter Subject: Re: rec.radio.* reorganization To: Lee Reynolds In-Reply-To: steveh@tharr.UUCP's message of 3 Apr 91 13:53:48 GMT Check the proposals for rec.arts.radio kicking around on news.announce, rec.audio (of all places), rec.arts.tv, etc. The idea there is to talk about the _content_ of radio broadcasts (mostly commercial, but also noncomm); also probably personalities and markets. It doesn't look like they know about what's happening in rec.radio.... -- Lawrence Hunter, PhD. National Library of Medicine Bldg. 38A, MS-54 Bethesda. MD 20894 (301) 496-9300 (301) 496-0673 (fax) hunter@nlm.nih.gov (internet) hunter%nlm.nih.gov@nihcu (bitnet/earn) From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Thu Apr 4 17:50:34 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Thu, 04 Apr 91 21:32:23 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa23148; Thu, 4 Apr 91 17:50:33 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA22597; Thu, 4 Apr 91 12:04:27 -0500 Message-Id: <9104041704.AA22597@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 6793; Thu, 04 Apr 91 12:03:09 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 9649; Thu, 04 Apr 91 12:01:42 EST Date: Thu, 4 Apr 91 16:27:01 GMT Reply-To: Scott Dorsey Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: Scott Dorsey Subject: Re: April Fool? was: IMPORTANT, HAMS, SWL, SCANNER... To: Lee Reynolds In article undrground!seanp@amix.commodore.com (Sean Petty) writes: > NO NO NO!! THIS IS ABSOLUTELY *REAL*!! The FCC has actually proposed this, >well, they haven't, it was introduced by an attorney named Eric Malinen and it >was endorsed and an inquiry was started by the FCC. A recent newsflash in >Monitoring Times reads: > > PRESSTOP! > FCC May Ban Police, Fire, Medical Monitoring! Sorry, the article in MT was an April Fools joke. I find all of this very amusing. --scott From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Thu Apr 4 17:50:37 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Thu, 04 Apr 91 21:32:24 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa23162; Thu, 4 Apr 91 17:50:36 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA23410; Thu, 4 Apr 91 12:07:04 -0500 Message-Id: <9104041707.AA23410@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 6812; Thu, 04 Apr 91 12:05:48 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 9706; Thu, 04 Apr 91 12:04:25 EST Date: Thu, 4 Apr 91 16:38:31 GMT Reply-To: Charles Kelley Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: Charles Kelley Subject: I want to be your affiliate, even though you don't want me To: Lee Reynolds Fox seems to be having problems with stations trying to become Fox affiliates. In the last couple of weeks, 2 affiliates are trying to become Fox stations even though Fox doesn't want them. WGOT-60 Merrimack (sp?), NH - tried to become a Fox station, but Fox said no. The response: they have filed an anti-trust suit against the Boston Celtics, WFXT-25/Boston (owned by the Celtics and a Fox station), and Fox. Why? Well, they've been turend down for Celtics games, too. They've lost income because of this and getting to be a Fox affiliate would help them make up for the income. KUSI-51 San Diego - tried to become a Fox station, but Fox says they already have XETV-6 Tijuana-San Diego. The response: get the FCC to make Fox sign with them. Years ago, XETV was an ABC station. Then KNSD-39 San Diego came on. The FCC made ABC drop XETV for KNSD (now an NBC) since Tijuana is a foreign station and local, U.S. stations should take priority. KUSI wants the same thing. They want the FCC to require FCC approval for networks to sign with foreign stations when there are local stations unaffiliated with any network and who want to be. I'm sure Fox is really thrilled at the prospect of losing one of its very few VHF stations in favor of a UHF station. Chip From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Thu Apr 4 17:50:44 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Thu, 04 Apr 91 21:32:25 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa23205; Thu, 4 Apr 91 17:50:43 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA27777; Thu, 4 Apr 91 12:23:43 -0500 Message-Id: <9104041723.AA27777@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 6837; Thu, 04 Apr 91 12:22:24 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 9819; Thu, 04 Apr 91 12:21:39 EST Date: Thu, 4 Apr 91 16:45:28 GMT Reply-To: Charles Kelley Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: Charles Kelley Subject: Re: I want to be your affiliate, even though you don't want me To: Lee Reynolds Ooooops, sorry about that. I forgot to take this off the list; meant for rec.arts.tv. From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Thu Apr 4 19:50:55 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Thu, 04 Apr 91 21:32:52 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa27139; Thu, 4 Apr 91 19:50:54 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA18820; Thu, 4 Apr 91 14:10:18 -0500 Message-Id: <9104041910.AA18820@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 6973; Thu, 04 Apr 91 14:08:40 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 0279; Thu, 04 Apr 91 14:07:17 EST Date: Thu, 4 Apr 91 13:38:08 GMT Reply-To: Bob Lombardi 44139 Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: Bob Lombardi 44139 Subject: Advanced Tools for MUF Prediction To: Lee Reynolds Fellow HF freaks... I'm interested in the state-of-the-art computer tools for prediction of propagation for HF via the ionosphere. I suppose this would include through at least 6 m, and possibly up to 100 MHz. Like most people, I have a version of minimuf (I copied it from an article in QST several years ago into my C64, and then ported it from the C64 to my PC). I also have the program Pathfind that was in HR a couple of years ago. It is supposed to be an updated version of minimuf. The thing that I have against these programs is that they use solar flux alone. As we've all seen lately, that's only half of the story. To be realistic, I believe that a program would require A or K indices, and probably data on flux and magnetic activity for at least a couple of days. An article (somewhere?) that I saw recently showed via scatter diagram how the forecast accuracy of the models for this have improved over the last few years. This was for a month at a time; I really only care about a day or two. Is there any source for code that does this that is accessible to us 'average hams'? Ideally, I'd like PC-based, and can support a need for a coprocessor. Speed is not a problem, but I haven't seen much that bogs down my 386/3D87 combination. I could support C source code for the Unix machine here at work, but would rather do it at home. 73, Bob Bob Lombardi WB4EHS >>>>>>> Internet: blombardi@x102c.ess.harris.com M/S 102-4826, Harris Corp GASD, P.O. Box 94000, Melbourne, FL 32902 Hobbies: ******** on hold thanks to being a gradual student in EE ****** aspiring classical pianist. Professional: electrical engineer. From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Thu Apr 4 19:51:02 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Thu, 04 Apr 91 21:32:53 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa27158; Thu, 4 Apr 91 19:51:01 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA20982; Thu, 4 Apr 91 14:18:57 -0500 Message-Id: <9104041918.AA20982@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 7003; Thu, 04 Apr 91 14:17:36 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 0364; Thu, 04 Apr 91 14:16:38 EST Date: Thu, 4 Apr 91 11:50:46 MST Reply-To: CARY OLER Sender: Short Wave Listener's List From: CARY OLER Subject: GEOMAGNETIC STORM ALERT - STORM IN PROGRESS To: Lee Reynolds /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ GEOMAGNETIC STORM ALERT /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Issued: 18:30 UT, 04 April Geomagnetic Storm Alert Auroral Storm Warning ------------- ATTENTION: A sudden storm commencement (SSC) was observed at magnetic observatories at 11:23 UT on 04 April. This was immediately followed by a period of major geomagnetic and auroral storming for about two hours, which then declined to minor storm levels thereafter. Presently, the magnetic field is holding at very active to minor storm levels. A GEOMAGNETIC STORM ALERT has been issued. This storm has been caused by the major class M6/2B flare which occurred at 23:27 UT on 02 April. An AURORAL ACTIVITY ALERT has been issued for the middle and high latitudes for 04 and 05 April. Activity (auroral and geomagnetic) should diminish on 06 April. Since the moon does not rise until the early morning hours, there should be a good auroral display of activity over middle and high latitudes. Please send any reports of auroral activity, HF or VHF degradation and/or other observations or anomalies to: oler@hg.uleth.ca. This storm should subside and end on 06 April. A return to active to unsettled geomagnetic conditions is expected thereafter. ** End of Alert ** From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Thu Apr 4 20:50:18 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Thu, 04 Apr 91 21:33:06 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa29212; Thu, 4 Apr 91 20:50:18 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA04943; Thu, 4 Apr 91 15:24:52 -0500 Message-Id: <9104042024.AA04943@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 7077; Thu, 04 Apr 91 15:23:30 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 0630; Thu, 04 Apr 91 15:23:03 EST Date: Thu, 4 Apr 91 12:33:59 GMT Reply-To: Gerben 'P' Vos Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: Gerben 'P' Vos Subject: Re: rec.arts.radio To: Lee Reynolds staggers@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Ken Staggers) writes: [rec.radio.shortwave readers, please read his complete article in news.groups, and note the Followup-To line] >Well, I think I am almost ready to start a formal RFD for rec.arts.radio. >This group would be created to discuss the programming and the business >of radio, just as rec.arts.tv is to the TV industry. Recent discussions >of Howard Stern in rec.arts.tv, and general mentioning of radio in >rec.music.misc suggests there may be an interest in this. There is a discussion in rec.radio.shortwave going on Right Now about a group rec.radio.broadcasting, also about radio programming; maybe it will replace rec.radio.noncomm, but that is under discussion. Maybe these proposals can be "cut short", and made into one group. - Gerben -- --- Gerben Vos <>< - Aconet: BIGBEN!Gerben Vos - Internet: gpvos@cs.vu.nl ---- Waiting since March 24th for the cs.vu.nl system administration ----- to honour the creation of comp.{binaries,sources}.acorn ... From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Fri Apr 5 00:40:18 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Thu, 04 Apr 91 21:33:23 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa04935; Fri, 5 Apr 91 0:40:18 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA22987; Thu, 4 Apr 91 19:10:42 -0500 Message-Id: <9104050010.AA22987@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 7302; Thu, 04 Apr 91 19:09:25 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 1358; Thu, 04 Apr 91 19:06:58 EST Date: Thu, 4 Apr 91 21:56:05 GMT Reply-To: Peach Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: Peach Subject: Re: April Fool? was: IMPORTANT, HAMS, SWL, SCANNER... To: Lee Reynolds kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov ( Scott Dorsey) writes: >In article undrground!seanp@amix.commodore.com (Sean Petty) writes: >> NO NO NO!! THIS IS ABSOLUTELY *REAL*!! The FCC has actually proposed this, >>well, they haven't, it was introduced by an attorney named Eric Malinen and it >>was endorsed and an inquiry was started by the FCC. A recent newsflash in >>Monitoring Times reads: >> >> PRESSTOP! >> FCC May Ban Police, Fire, Medical Monitoring! >Sorry, the article in MT was an April Fools joke. I find all of this very >amusing. >--scott I beg to differ. The petitioned for this inquiry over a year ago. I have followed it from the amateur transceiver side ever since. I have recently talked via e-mail to ARRL section mgrs involved. Rec.radio.amateur.policy had a rebuttal from Grove himself today. It is for real folks! The only controversy is over the urgency of the situation and the extent to which any action by the FCC on ham transceivers would effect scanners. The proposal by the ARRL is VERY GOOD and should be supported by all hams and scanner enth., but the alternatives being considered by the FCC are VERY, VERY serious. --------------- Harold G. Peach, Jr. Internet: hgpeach@ca.uky.edu 252 Ag. Engineering Bldg., U.Ky. Packet Radio: N4FLZ@KF4NB.KY.USA.NA Lexington, KY 40546-0276 Phone: (606) 257-3335 From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Fri Apr 5 01:22:58 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Thu, 04 Apr 91 21:33:27 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa05698; Fri, 5 Apr 91 1:22:57 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA27266; Thu, 4 Apr 91 19:36:07 -0500 Message-Id: <9104050036.AA27266@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 7332; Thu, 04 Apr 91 19:29:20 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 1442; Thu, 04 Apr 91 19:27:36 EST Date: Thu, 4 Apr 91 18:33:39 GMT Reply-To: Innovative Data Design Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: Innovative Data Design Subject: Re: scanner ban To: Lee Reynolds A few days ago there was a message on this subject saying that the scanner ban was probably just a rumor and advising people not to go wild with complaining just yet. I haven't seen any followup to that aspect. What is the status, anyway? sig Angus MacDonald; idddev@well.sf.ca.us Opinions expressed in this message are solely my own. From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Fri Apr 5 01:23:00 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Thu, 04 Apr 91 21:33:28 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa05707; Fri, 5 Apr 91 1:22:59 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA27271; Thu, 4 Apr 91 19:36:09 -0500 Message-Id: <9104050036.AA27271@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 7349; Thu, 04 Apr 91 19:30:09 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 1486; Thu, 04 Apr 91 19:28:51 EST Date: Thu, 4 Apr 91 22:08:26 GMT Reply-To: Millard Edgerton Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: Millard Edgerton Subject: Shuttle Audio retransmission in ba To: Lee Reynolds ******************************FREQUENCY CHANGE*********************** ************for K6MF, AMES AMATEUR RADIO CLUB SHUTTLE AUDIO********** With the launch and flight coverage of STS-37, Alantis, K6MF will be on 145.585 Mhz.(up 5) to better fit into the band plan. Ames Amateur Radio Club P. O. Box 73 Moffett Field CA 94035-0073 73's Edgie *************************************************************************** * Intelligent people talk about ideas. | Standard disclaimer(s) * * Average people talk about things. | Millard J. Edgerton, WA6VZZ * * Small people talk about other people. | millard@eos.arc.nasa.gov * *************************************************************************** * Fax 415-604-6475 | Voice 415-604-3480 * * Employed by Sterling Software at NASA Ames Research Center. * *************************************************************************** From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Fri Apr 5 04:30:14 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Fri, 05 Apr 91 07:53:43 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa09310; Fri, 5 Apr 91 4:30:14 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA19381; Thu, 4 Apr 91 22:13:06 -0500 Message-Id: <9104050313.AA19381@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 7471; Thu, 04 Apr 91 22:11:45 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 2164; Thu, 04 Apr 91 22:11:01 EST Date: Fri, 5 Apr 91 02:13:38 GMT Reply-To: Jim Reisert Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: Jim Reisert Subject: Re: Advanced Tools for MUF Prediction To: Lee Reynolds In article <5982@trantor.harris-atd.com>, blombardi@x102c.ess.harris.com (Bob Lombardi 44139) writes... > >I'm interested in the state-of-the-art computer tools for >prediction of propagation for HF via the ionosphere. Jake, W1FM, has written a program called IONSOUND which is highly accurate. I believe he advertises it in the ham magazines (it's on page 30 of the March/April 1991 National Contest Journal, for example). It was also reviewed in the July 1990 issue of CQ Magazine. The ad is too long to type in here, but you can call Jake at 617-862-6742 for information. It's $29.95+$3.00 shipping, coprocessor not required. - Jim AD1C =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "The opinions expressed here in no way represent the views of Digital Equipment Corporation." James J. Reisert Internet: reisert@mast.enet.dec.com Digital Equipment Corp. UUCP: ...decwrl!mast.enet!reisert 146 Main Street Voice: 508-493-5293 Maynard, MA 01754 FAX: 508-493-???? From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Fri Apr 5 04:30:17 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Fri, 05 Apr 91 07:53:44 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa09323; Fri, 5 Apr 91 4:30:16 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA26276; Thu, 4 Apr 91 23:16:41 -0500 Message-Id: <9104050416.AA26276@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 7517; Thu, 04 Apr 91 23:15:20 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 2333; Thu, 04 Apr 91 23:14:29 EST Date: Wed, 3 Apr 91 16:43:36 GMT Reply-To: Gary Bourgois Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: Gary Bourgois Subject: RNI/RFNY (Was: The Bands are DEAD) To: Lee Reynolds In article <3607@polari.UUCP> mzenier@polari.UUCP (Mark Zenier) writes: >RNI always sounds bad here. I havn't heard that >bad audio quality since pre-glasnost Radio Moscow. >(Saturday Nights on 7520) Nope Mark. That is RFNY that sounds like the signal is going out over a class Q phone line. RNI sounds pretty good usually (SUNDAY nights on 7520) The SATURDAY show is done by a completely different bunch of fellers..... RFNY == Radio Free New York == The guys with too much reverb and somewhat muddy audio (the reverb does not work on SW especially with CURRENT band conditions) SATURDAY NIGHTS ON WWCR RNI == Radio New York International. The other guys. SUNDAY NIGHTS on WWCR MON-FRI on WRNO SAT ON RADIO PEACE INTERNATIONAL You can tell the difference if you listen, not only the sound, but programming content is very different. RNI tends to be a bit more political and talk oriented. Steve Cole's CROSSBAND RNI is a MEDIA news and info show. Pirate Joe is a left wing vegetarian peace puke, Johnny Lightning is the hillarious guy with the irreverent sense of humor and the brooklyn accent that is so thick it will BREAK a knife. Randi Steele is lotsa talk also. Al Weiner makes an occaisional appearance, and Dan Lewis does the Mailbag show. As for RFNY, They are more into Entertainment and less into politics. They play LOTS of jingles, production bits, and tons of extraneous audio lifted from old TV shows, etc. Pete Sayek and Jim Nasium work pretty well together. Unlike the RNI people who seem to always be in somewhat of controlled chaos, often at cross purposes when two or more are talking, the RFNY people "work" together quite well. In fact their voices are so similar, it is almost as if it was ONE person doing the show. You know one will talk, and the other one will finish the sentence. On RNI, one will talk, and one will interrupt and a third will change the subject. Like that. It all makes for good listening though. Sure beats what you hear on "regular" radio. -- =Marquette MI: It's Not the END of the world, but you can see it from here= == Gary Bourgois flash@lopez (rutgers!sharkey!lopez!flash) GWN UPLink == == 3.950 Nationwide Amateur Radio Nightly after 0200z=Learning Channel == =============== WB8EOH = The Eccentric Old Hippie = WB8EOH ================ From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Fri Apr 5 04:30:20 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Fri, 05 Apr 91 07:53:46 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa09332; Fri, 5 Apr 91 4:30:19 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA26983; Thu, 4 Apr 91 23:20:29 -0500 Message-Id: <9104050420.AA26983@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 7537; Thu, 04 Apr 91 23:19:10 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 2385; Thu, 04 Apr 91 23:17:46 EST Date: Fri, 5 Apr 91 03:51:18 GMT Reply-To: Matt Bartley Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: Matt Bartley Subject: Re: Better SW Radio Audio? To: Lee Reynolds In article <9103271625.AA19351@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> rats@ihlpm.UUCP writes: >How about building a frequency convertor to convert the IF of a >SW radio to somewhere in the broadcast band, and feed it into a >Stero-AM Car radio? I would imagine you would get significantly >better fidelity through the synchronous detector and improved audio >stages. My car's ('86 Chevy) stock radio has an AM stereo switch. I rarely use it though because it usually seems to do nothing more than distort the high audio frequencies. But I'd be very surprised if it has a synchronus detector. The fading distortion on DX stations is really bad. Also, I think the AGC is no good because if the station fades, I have to keep tweaking the volume knob all the time. [sorry for the bandwidth - email bounced] -- Internet: mdbomber@leland.stanford.edu Matt Bartley Bitnet: mdbomber%leland@stanford.bitnet 73, N6YWI ICBM: 37 26' 30'' N Cost of this message has been 122 10' 40'' W billed to US government. From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Fri Apr 5 05:13:05 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Fri, 05 Apr 91 07:53:59 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa10415; Fri, 5 Apr 91 5:13:04 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA27453; Thu, 4 Apr 91 23:24:16 -0500 Message-Id: <9104050424.AA27453@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 7558; Thu, 04 Apr 91 23:22:54 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 2466; Thu, 04 Apr 91 23:21:55 EST Date: Wed, 3 Apr 91 15:43:04 GMT Reply-To: Paul Davey Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: Paul Davey Subject: Antenna Tuner (Suggestions Wanted) To: Lee Reynolds I'm looking for an antenna tuner for my Sangean 803a. I really only need something as basic (and cheap) as possible to allow a remote AM antenna. Does anyone know if the 803a can take an external FM antenna through the same socket? (I didn't get a manual with mine.) I can get someone to purchase a tuner in the States so UK or US sources are useful. What do people suggest? Please mail replies, I'll summarise if asked. -- Regards, pd@x.co.uk IXI Limited Paul Davey pd@ixi.uucp 62-74 Burleigh St. ...!uunet!ixi!pd Cambridge U.K. "These are interesting times" +44 223 462 131 CB1 1OJ USA: 1 800 XDESK 57 From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Fri Apr 5 06:23:25 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Fri, 05 Apr 91 07:54:05 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa12259; Fri, 5 Apr 91 6:23:24 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA08847; Fri, 5 Apr 91 00:49:12 -0500 Message-Id: <9104050549.AA08847@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 7601; Fri, 05 Apr 91 00:47:49 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 2602; Fri, 05 Apr 91 00:47:20 EST Date: Fri, 5 Apr 91 00:34:34 GMT Reply-To: Patrick M Crumhorn Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: Patrick M Crumhorn Subject: Re: rec.radio.* reorganization To: Lee Reynolds If the groups _have_ to be divided, and I for one don't think it's necessary, then the most logical division should be: rec.radio.shortwave rec.radio.scanning (or rec.radio.scanners) My argument is that "rec.radio.utility" implies a division between SWL's who monitor international broadcasts and those who monitor utility services on HF. "Utility" is _not_, IMHO, an indication of scanning or VHF/UHF monitoring. Plus, most SWLs I know of monitor both broadcast and ham/rtty/aero/marine stuff, in varying proportions. From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Fri Apr 5 11:50:06 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Fri, 05 Apr 91 07:54:21 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa16658; Fri, 5 Apr 91 11:50:04 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA25063; Fri, 5 Apr 91 06:05:26 -0500 Message-Id: <9104051105.AA25063@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 7694; Fri, 05 Apr 91 06:04:06 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 3052; Fri, 05 Apr 91 06:03:05 EST Date: Fri, 5 Apr 91 08:09:54 GMT Reply-To: "Lynn C. Hurd" Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: "Lynn C. Hurd" Subject: Digital Audio on Satcom F1R To: Lee Reynolds Does anyone know the format of the digital audio (DATS) on Satcom F1R transponders 3,15 and 21? Can I build or buy an inexpensive decoder if I'm willing to throw away error correction or anything else to simplify it? Thanks, Lynn Hurd (503) 627-4643 W. (503) 649-9152 H. or reply via email. From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Fri Apr 5 20:50:09 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Fri, 05 Apr 91 23:00:17 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa06117; Fri, 5 Apr 91 20:50:07 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA23855; Fri, 5 Apr 91 12:34:51 -0500 Message-Id: <9104051734.AA23855@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 8071; Fri, 05 Apr 91 12:33:30 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 4219; Fri, 05 Apr 91 12:32:58 EST Date: Fri, 5 Apr 91 09:29:00 PST Reply-To: brein%JPLGP.SPAN.NASA.GOV@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Sender: Short Wave Listener's List From: brein%JPLGP.SPAN.NASA.GOV@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Subject: Antenna Tuner (Suggestions Wanted) X-To: SWL-L%CUVMA.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu To: Lee Reynolds Several weeks ago I posted a request for information on building an antenna-tuner or preselector for SWLing. No replies yet. Does anyone have any periodical references, schematics, or descriptions of how to go about this? With bated breath, Barry Rein BREIN@gpvax.jpl.nasa.gov From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Fri Apr 5 20:50:25 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Fri, 05 Apr 91 23:00:20 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa06171; Fri, 5 Apr 91 20:50:22 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA18069; Fri, 5 Apr 91 14:40:49 -0500 Message-Id: <9104051940.AA18069@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 8238; Fri, 05 Apr 91 14:39:27 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 5030; Fri, 05 Apr 91 14:38:25 EST Date: Fri, 5 Apr 91 13:44:53 GMT Reply-To: Jean-Louis Ecochard Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: Jean-Louis Ecochard Subject: Re: rec.radio.* reorganization To: Lee Reynolds Given the trouble that some of us are having related to the changes and reorganisation of rec.ham-radio.* (see some previous postings) I suggest that we do not reorganize this newsgroup. HOWEVER, I suggest that if people want more organization (want to read only some stuff) we PRECEDE our subject lines with the appropriate category word (i.e. UTILITY, SCANNING, SWL, etc.) to make it easier for people to filter their messages. A judicious use of the Keywords could acheive a similar purpose. -- Jean-Louis Ecochard O ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~./_\.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ jl@chi.sbi.com (__Y__) uunet!sbi!chi!jl From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Sat Apr 6 02:50:38 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Fri, 05 Apr 91 23:01:11 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa15263; Sat, 6 Apr 91 2:50:36 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA12070; Fri, 5 Apr 91 21:49:38 -0500 Message-Id: <9104060249.AA12070@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 8646; Fri, 05 Apr 91 21:48:13 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 6857; Fri, 05 Apr 91 21:47:37 EST Date: Sat, 6 Apr 91 02:18:29 GMT Reply-To: Ralph Brandi Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: Ralph Brandi Subject: Re: rec.radio.* reorganization To: Lee Reynolds In article <1991Apr3.170943.17201@arris.com> rshapiro@arris.com (Richard Shapiro) writes: >>I suggest that we reorganize rec.radio.shortwave and rec.radio.noncomm >>as follows : >> rec.radio.broadcasting >> rec.radio.utility >If the scanner enthusiasts want their own group (rec.radio.scanning), >I would support that proposal. It does seem to be a distinct kind of >I would not support breaking up the groups as above. We need a group >that's explicitly for shortwave listening (whether b'cast or utility) >and is explicitly named as such. That was the whole point of the group >in the first place; and, if I do say so myself, it's been a resounding >success. I don't see any reason to change it (except as indicated in >the paragraph above -- *if* the scanning enthusiasts want it). I agree with Richard that the above proposal is inappropriate. I, too, would support a proposal for rec.radio.scanning if the scanning enthusiasts want one, although the charter for rec.radio.shortwave has explicitly encompassed this aspect of the hobby since the beginning. What it seems to me may be appropriate is the creation of a rec.radio.misc. This would give postings like the recent thread about KWSS-FM changing hands a place to go without people having to cry that it's inappropriate for rec.radio.noncomm or rec.radio.shortwave or wherever. To split the group as the proposal above suggests would change the charter of the newsgroup so that it no longer focused on the hobby, but would rather widen the charter in a way I believe is inappropriate. rec.radio.misc would provide a newsgroup with a wider charter while leaving rec.radio.shortwave intact. Personally, I don't feel a compelling need for even this much, but if someone else wants to go through the whole messy official procedure, I would support it. -- Ralph Brandi ralph@mtunq.att.com att!mtunq!ralph R.I.P. Radio Canada International 1942-1991 From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Sat Apr 6 01:12:54 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Fri, 05 Apr 91 23:00:53 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa13649; Sat, 6 Apr 91 1:12:52 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA26277; Fri, 5 Apr 91 19:52:50 -0500 Message-Id: <9104060052.AA26277@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 8586; Fri, 05 Apr 91 19:51:26 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 6647; Fri, 05 Apr 91 19:50:50 EST Date: Fri, 5 Apr 91 22:56:14 GMT Reply-To: Steve Lamont Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: Steve Lamont Subject: Re: rec.radio.* reorganization To: Lee Reynolds In article <2004@tharr.UUCP> steveh@tharr.UUCP (Steve Hamley) writes: >I'd go for > > rec.radio.scanning > rec.radio.world > rec.radio.noncomm > rec.radio.broadcasting > >With the latter incorporating programming and general posts. > >But someone else probably has a better idea anyway... Sounds good to me. The only suggestion I'd make is perhaps to make *.scanning and *.world into subgroups under rec.radio.shortwave, since they're (more or less) fanned out from that subject. I'd also suggest changing `world' to `listening' or maybe `swl.' Followups to news.groups. spl (the p stands for putting my 2 Hz in) -- Steve Lamont, SciViGuy -- (408) 646-2752 -- a guest at network.ucsd.edu -- NPS Confuser Center / Code 51 / Naval Postgraduate School / Monterey, CA 93943 "The only way to deal with exploiters is to terrorize the bastards." - The late Congressmember Phillip Burton From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Fri Apr 5 23:00:07 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Fri, 05 Apr 91 23:00:40 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa09664; Fri, 5 Apr 91 23:00:06 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA09022; Fri, 5 Apr 91 16:10:19 -0500 Message-Id: <9104052110.AA09022@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 8345; Fri, 05 Apr 91 16:08:58 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 5399; Fri, 05 Apr 91 16:07:43 EST Date: Fri, 5 Apr 91 19:52:12 GMT Reply-To: Dave Pierson Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: Dave Pierson Subject: Re: Short Antennae To: Lee Reynolds In article <3953@anasaz.UUCP>, John Moore writes, in part, concerning short antennas: >The antenna is not resonant - its impedance changes very little with >frequency, so it is indeed broadband. > >On the other hand, if you want to try to match impedances with it (or at >least, on a receive antenna, boost the output voltage), you will need >networks to do so. The easiest and lowest loss networks to do this >are resonant or at least frequency dependent, so they are very narrowband >unless you use a lot of elements. hrmmmm. Is not the commonly used FET amplifier an "impedance matching network", with (ahemmmm) negative loss? (albeit at the expense of some n*ise.) I guess the value of "easiest" is to be defined locally. 8)>> ... >Sigh... win some and lose some... Indeed. Found one reference with some short antenna discussions: Antenna Theory and Practice Schelkunoff and Eriis (I think i got the spelling right...) thanks dave pierson |the facts, as accurately as i can manage, Digital Equipment Corporation |the opinions, my own. 600 Nickerson Rd Marlboro, Mass 01752 pierson@cimnet.enet.dec.com "He has read everything, and, to his credit, written nothing." A J Raffles From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Fri Apr 5 23:41:05 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Fri, 05 Apr 91 23:00:46 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa11351; Fri, 5 Apr 91 23:41:04 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA11712; Fri, 5 Apr 91 18:35:17 -0500 Message-Id: <9104052335.AA11712@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 8509; Fri, 05 Apr 91 18:33:58 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 6381; Fri, 05 Apr 91 18:32:08 EST Date: Fri, 5 Apr 91 19:01:28 GMT Reply-To: Leigh Orf Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: Leigh Orf Subject: Re: rec.radio.* reorganization To: Lee Reynolds It is my opinion that what we have right now is just fine. It is nice to get the large variety of stuff that ends up in this newsgroup. There are enough overspecialized newsgroups out there now, in my opinion. The traffic really isn't that bad, either (try reading rec.music.misc sometime!). Just though I'd get my 2 cents in.... Leigh Orf (orf@meteor.wisc.edu) Space Science and Engineering Center University of Wisconsin Madison, WI From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Fri Apr 5 23:41:04 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Fri, 05 Apr 91 23:00:47 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa11345; Fri, 5 Apr 91 23:41:03 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA10988; Fri, 5 Apr 91 18:32:09 -0500 Message-Id: <9104052332.AA10988@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 8492; Fri, 05 Apr 91 18:30:45 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 6337; Fri, 05 Apr 91 18:29:59 EST Date: Fri, 5 Apr 91 11:15:29 EST Reply-To: mike carr Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: mike carr Subject: ELBC, Liberia To: Lee Reynolds Recently ELBC, Liberia has recently started up its transmissions with the help of the African nations that are keeping the peace in Liberia. I heard the station start up at 06:50 on 7275. They start off with what I believe is the Liberian national anthem and then they announce what will be on the show. Afterwards they played music until two minutes after the hour. The transmission got really bad after 0700. There was a lot of static. I tuned back in at 0725 and heard the station battle it out with a ham radio operator. Eventually, ELBC's transmission faded out completely and the ham radio took complete control over the frequency. I must say that I detest ham radio operators that must use frequencies that international broadcasters use. I have in the past heard ham radio operators ruin the Voice of Nigeria's transmission on 7255. I wish they would use frequencies that no international broadcaster is using before they start with their chatter. Mike Carr The American University From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Fri Apr 5 13:46:49 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Fri, 05 Apr 91 22:59:51 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa19677; Fri, 5 Apr 91 13:46:48 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA04497; Fri, 5 Apr 91 07:49:30 -0500 Message-Id: <9104051249.AA04497@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 7752; Fri, 05 Apr 91 07:48:03 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 3230; Fri, 05 Apr 91 07:47:17 EST Date: Wed, 3 Apr 91 18:31:11 GMT Reply-To: Paul Blumstein Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: Paul Blumstein Subject: Re: I get around.... To: Lee Reynolds In article <57115@siemens.siemens.com> pjd@demon.siemens.com (dr. funk) writes: + +I have a list of Mystic Star frequencies, but couldn't read +them in the dark! (My spouse insists on sleeping in the dark :-) My receiver is in my son's room & light doesn't bother him... he's a sound sleeper. But that doesn't help you. Auto parts stores have a cheap map/reading light. It works on penlight batteries and has a clip to clip almost anywhere. It has a flexible gooseneck holding the bulb. Costs about $3 or $4. I've also seen a headpiece with lights in it that direct light to where you are looking. I believe that this was in an autoparts store, but didn't catch the price. ===================================================================== Paul Blumstein | "Senility begins where infancy leaves off" Citicorp/TTI | -- Blumstein Santa Monica, CA +-------------------------------------------------- {rutgers,philabs,psivax,pyramid}!ttidca!paulb or paulb@tti.com DISCLAIMER: My company doesn't listen to me; you shouldn't either. From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Fri Apr 5 13:46:51 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Fri, 05 Apr 91 22:59:52 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa19685; Fri, 5 Apr 91 13:46:50 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA04817; Fri, 5 Apr 91 07:53:51 -0500 Message-Id: <9104051253.AA04817@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 7773; Fri, 05 Apr 91 07:52:33 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 3290; Fri, 05 Apr 91 07:52:04 EST Date: Tue, 2 Apr 91 15:31:37 GMT Reply-To: Harald Barth Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: Harald Barth Subject: Oscilloscope ( some help..) To: Lee Reynolds Hi, I think I could use some help. The story: A friend of mine gave me a present: An old oscilloscope he found on his attric. I was VERY pleased :-) The small problem: It's a kit, I'll have to put the parts together first. It looked like an easy match ( A soldering iron doesn't frighten me). I was optimistic :-| The big problem: I havn't found any sign of a part-list, electrical circuit description or drawing yet. And ( I inspected the box real good) there won't be either. I don't dare to start anything without. I am :-( Question: So if anyone of you did this kit or has any information about how all these zillion parts - nicely packed in plastic bags - are intended to be put together, I would be pleased to share the info (and stand for photocopies etc. of course). Clues: Oscilloscope ite model 255 Conar Instruments Washington, D.C. 20016 (printed on the back plate) Mail me (instead of Re:) if possible. With a faint hope, Harald. d88-hba@nada.kth.se PS: I'm ;-) again. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Introducion to smilies: Tilt your head 90deg to the left and look again :-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Fri Apr 5 13:46:54 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Fri, 05 Apr 91 22:59:53 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa19698; Fri, 5 Apr 91 13:46:53 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA09592; Fri, 5 Apr 91 08:27:17 -0500 Message-Id: <9104051327.AA09592@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 7802; Fri, 05 Apr 91 08:25:59 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 3380; Fri, 05 Apr 91 08:24:09 EST Date: Fri, 5 Apr 91 08:18:00 EST Reply-To: S72UMIL%TOWSONVX.BITNET@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Sender: Short Wave Listener's List From: S72UMIL%TOWSONVX.BITNET@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Subject: CRICKET COMMENTARY - 3rd Test To: Lee Reynolds Hello Cricket (by radio) Fans, The 3rd Test between the West Indies and Australia begins in Port of Spain, Trinidad, on Friday 5th April. Radio Australia will broadcast live commentaries as follows: From 1500 utc on 6080 khz to the Pacific 1530 utc on 13745 khz to Asia. 13745 was heard during the 2nd Test around 3pm (2000utc) on the East Coast. Play each day should end at 2100 utc. Summaries of the match will be available as follows: via R Australia Sports Bulletins @ 0830, 1313, 1645, 1913, 2313, 0313 utc. via BBC Sports @ 1245, 1745 utc and others. BBC Sports Special @ 1400 utc, via R New Zealand Sports (time unknown). via Dubai R (UAE) after the news in the English Language BC. The first Test was drawn, and West Indies won the 2nd. If anyone has further info on this or other cricket BC please post them. "Not tonight, honey! I'm listening to cricket!" Ian s72umil@TOWSONVX.BITNET N3CVA on the Friendly CARIBUS Connection 14.283 MHz @ 1100 utc From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Fri Apr 5 14:56:54 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Fri, 05 Apr 91 22:59:59 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa21327; Fri, 5 Apr 91 14:56:53 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA22924; Fri, 5 Apr 91 09:47:38 -0500 Message-Id: <9104051447.AA22924@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 7876; Fri, 05 Apr 91 09:46:18 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 3604; Fri, 05 Apr 91 09:45:28 EST Date: Fri, 5 Apr 91 07:08:07 EST Reply-To: steve coletti Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: steve coletti Subject: Ramsey FM-10 To: Lee Reynolds I spoke to Bruce Sidari, Ramsey's sales manager yesterday. Some older models of the FM-10 have a problem with the stability of the stereo pilot. Newer versions of the kit have been corrected. Ramsey is offering this mod to anyone who bought the old version. #################################################################### #Steve Coletti A/K/A "BIGSTEVE" # Radio Newyork International # #UUCP: bigsteve@dorsai.com #on Shortwave at 9PM, ET. Sundays# #PRODIGY: BJJM02A #via WWCR at 7520 Khz. and Mon-Fri# #GEnie: S.COLETTI2 #over WRNO @ 7355Khz. Saturdays at# #FIDO: Big Steve 1:278/712 #2230 and 0500 via RFPI Costa Rica# #Mail: P.O. Box 396, NY, NY 10002# at @ 21,545, 13,630 & 7375Khz # #################################################################### From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Sat Apr 6 09:30:04 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Sat, 06 Apr 91 22:09:47 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa21959; Sat, 6 Apr 91 9:30:03 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA15515; Sat, 6 Apr 91 02:41:56 -0500 Message-Id: <9104060741.AA15515@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 8751; Sat, 06 Apr 91 02:40:33 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 7382; Sat, 06 Apr 91 02:39:42 EST Date: Sat, 6 Apr 91 02:46:33 GMT Reply-To: Risto Kotalampi Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: Risto Kotalampi Subject: CLUSIVE MEETING To: Lee Reynolds CLUSIVE MEETING IN JUUPAJOKI (FINLAND) BETWEEN APRIL 26th and 28th, 1991. The traditional Clusive-meeting will be organized this year by the DX-Listeners of Tampere in Hyyti{l{, Juupajoki. The dates are April 26th to 28th, 1991. The meeting will begin on Friday at 4 pm and will end on Sunday at noon. The schedule is usual - chatting and short competitions. Hyyti{l{ is very easy to find. It is located 19 kilometers north from Orivesi (Orivesi is 40 km NE from Tampere). More detailed information how to find to Hyyti{l{ is given by organizers. The house has accommodate rooms, meeting rooms, eating-room and sauna. The accommodate rooms are for 2 persons. Linen are on the house. Toilet, shower, sauna, kitchen and meeting rooms are all very near to each other. Sauna is heated at Saturday night but probably also on Friday. Towels, soaps etc. are also on house. All this, board and lodging costs only 270 FIM! RESERVATIONS : Not later than April 19th, 1991 to the following phone numbers : Risto Kotalampi +358-31-615 025 (home) +358-31-162 921 (work) rko@cs.tut.fi (email) Juha Vehmas +358-31-672 667 (home) +358-31-126 800 (work) Welcome to Finland! Clusive-team/RKO # Risto Kotalampi, rko@cs.tut.fi # Tel. : 162 921 # # Tampere University of Technology # Room : SL212 # # Signal Processing Laboratory # # From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Sat Apr 6 09:30:06 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Sat, 06 Apr 91 22:09:49 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa21969; Sat, 6 Apr 91 9:30:05 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AB15717; Sat, 6 Apr 91 02:43:12 -0500 Message-Id: <9104060743.AB15717@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 8769; Sat, 06 Apr 91 02:41:51 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 7428; Sat, 06 Apr 91 02:41:13 EST Date: Sat, 6 Apr 91 05:45:55 GMT Reply-To: John X Calabro Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: John X Calabro Subject: WOW! To: Lee Reynolds This Saturday Night (UTC SUNDAY) Radio FREE New York Presents The Steele Guitar Show! With Jennie Steele (the cutest little dj this side of the Brooklyn Bridge) RFNY 7520 kc, 7.52 mc, 11 PM ET Sat, 0400 Zulu SUN--c'mon, have some fun! Would ya? Please? Oh, by the way the subject will be Rickenbacker!!! Man oh Man!! From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Sat Apr 6 09:30:09 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Sat, 06 Apr 91 22:09:50 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa21981; Sat, 6 Apr 91 9:30:08 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA29333; Sat, 6 Apr 91 03:47:34 -0500 Message-Id: <9104060847.AA29333@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 8803; Sat, 06 Apr 91 03:46:09 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 7542; Sat, 06 Apr 91 03:45:34 EST Date: Fri, 5 Apr 91 17:16:57 GMT Reply-To: Larry Johnson Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: Larry Johnson Subject: Re: novice questions....... To: Lee Reynolds In article <1991Apr2.220032.3204@uoft02.utoledo.edu> grx0644@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes: >I am trying to learn about RF amplifiers and how they work. As you can see >from my sig, I am not in electronics in any way, just interesting. I know >the difference between componets and know enough about circuit analysis to >pass our physics exams. I am interested in detailed text and complete >schmatics to aid in my learning. I am on spring break and I feel like doing >something different. Every so often a question such as this one comes up on how to learn more about the technical side of radio. Other typical questions include "How do I monitor packet radio?"; "How could I build my own shortwave receiver?"; "How can I build an antenna for the 19 meter band?" and "What's a BFO, and how does it allow me to here SSB stations?" Fortunately, there's a source of information that can give even non- technical people as little or as much understanding of these and other subjects as they like: Amateur Radio books and publications. For example, the American Radio Relay League (ARRL) (225 Main Street, Newington, CT 06111, U.S.A., (203) 666-1541) publishes a variety of books covering all such topics. Some of these assume a fair amount of technical expertise, others are designed for the reader with no background in electronics. You may even be able to find some in your local library, or borrow them from a ham. (The ARRL, and hams in general, have a vested interest in giving as many people as possible, including those with no technical background, the training to get a ham radio license and get on the air: it helps justify their frequency allocations under the FCC's "use it or lose it" policy.) Another approach is to take one of the beginner's classes given by many Amateur Radio clubs. My personal experience is that the vast majority of the material covered in these will be helpful sooner or later to a serious shortwave broadcast/utility listener anyway. Of course, once you've learned all this stuff, you might as well get your license. If you have a good SW receiver, you can always have fun with a cheap little low-power CW (morse code) transmitter. Besides, the distinction between high-end SW receivers and Ham transceivers seems to be getting smaller each year--something to consider when it comes time to buy your "dream machine." In the U.S., the ARRL can give you more information on publications, local ham radio clubs, and classes. Most other countries have similar organizations that, like the ARRL, are members of the International Amateur Radio Union. If you need help finding you local society, I'm sure that the IARU (c/o the ARRL at the above address) can help. 73, Larry, WB1FOF (ARRL life member) -- Larry Johnson FiberCom, Inc. INTERNET: lrj@fibercom.com P.O. Box 95093 UUCP: uunet!fibercom!lrj Raleigh, NC 27625-5093 PHONE: +1 919-790-9257 From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Sat Apr 6 17:50:09 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Sat, 06 Apr 91 22:10:00 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa00014; Sat, 6 Apr 91 17:50:06 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA22598; Sat, 6 Apr 91 08:35:49 -0500 Message-Id: <9104061335.AA22598@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 8865; Sat, 06 Apr 91 08:34:28 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 7876; Sat, 06 Apr 91 08:33:41 EST Date: Sat, 6 Apr 91 11:52:32 GMT Reply-To: Kauto Huopio OH5LFM Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: Kauto Huopio OH5LFM Subject: Re: CLUSIVE MEETING To: Lee Reynolds In-Reply-To: rko@cs.tut.fi's message of Sat, 6 Apr 91 02:46:33 GMT > CLUSIVE MEETING IN JUUPAJOKI (FINLAND) BETWEEN APRIL 26th and 28th, > 1991. > The traditional Clusive-meeting will be organized this year by the > DX-Listeners of Tampere in Hyyti{l{, Juupajoki. The dates are April > 26th to 28th, 1991. The meeting will begin on Friday at 4 pm and will > end on Sunday at noon. The schedule is usual - chatting and short > competitions. Well, I guess an average r.r.s -reader doesn't know what is Clusive.. DXClusive is a info magazine for REAL DX-LISTENERS. I mean those people who spend all their winter holidays in Finnish Lapland trying to catch the rare 1 W carrier-current dorm stations in USA with HUGE antennas, say 1-2 kilometers in length. They hunt for old Trio tube receivers and completely re-build them to make them AMAZING signal-catchers.. DXClusive is NOT publicly available. You can subscribe it only if you contribute it with GOOD station loggings. NOT with that "I heard BBC WS yesterday on 9410".. The publication schedule is rather fast. DXClusive: For Serious Listeners Only! --Kauto PS: I am not one of the Clusive gang.. -- ****************** Kauto Huopio (huopio@kannel.lut.fi) ********************** * Mail: Kauto Huopio, Punkkerikatu 1 A 10, SF-53850 Lappeenranta,Finland * ***************************************************************************** From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Sat Apr 6 20:14:10 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Sat, 06 Apr 91 22:10:21 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa07185; Sat, 6 Apr 91 20:14:09 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA21820; Sat, 6 Apr 91 14:44:19 -0500 Message-Id: <9104061944.AA21820@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 9030; Sat, 06 Apr 91 14:42:44 EST Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 8530; Sat, 06 Apr 91 14:41:40 EST Date: Sat, 6 Apr 91 19:25:57 GMT Reply-To: "Anthony E. Siegman" Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: "Anthony E. Siegman" Subject: Medical Helicopter Frequencies? To: Lee Reynolds There's a medical helicopter that flies out of the Stanford University Hospital to various accidents, emergencies, and patient transfers. Any suggestions as to what frequencies they might communicate on? Replies to siegman@sierra.stanford.edu preferred. From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Sun Apr 7 21:50:42 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Mon, 08 Apr 91 21:37:03 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa02712; Sun, 7 Apr 91 21:50:41 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA21391; Sun, 7 Apr 91 16:43:54 -0400 Message-Id: <9104072043.AA21391@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 9470; Sun, 07 Apr 91 16:43:04 EDT Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 0124; Sun, 07 Apr 91 16:42:31 EDT Date: Sun, 7 Apr 91 14:25:34 GMT Reply-To: "James R. Duncan" Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: "James R. Duncan" Subject: Re: rec.radio.* reorganization To: Lee Reynolds In article <1991Apr6.191439.13822@colorado.edu> lewis@tramp.Colorado.EDU (LEWIS WILLIAM M JR) writes: >Is anyone able to post just one good reason for a reorganization? > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Discussions about technical, legal, or programming aspects of commercial radio broadcasting don't seem to fit anywhere. When such discussions arise in rec.radio.noncomm, rec.radio.shortwave, and rec.radio.amateur groups, complaints ensue. Personally, I think that rec.radio.shortwave itself should not be reorganized since it works so well and has a nice level of activity. So far, most commercial radio discussions recently have ended up in rec.radio.noncomm, which is usually a little thin anyway. I figure that this group might be expanded to allow "comm" broadcasting. When I was chief engineer and manager at noncomm KALX, UC Berkeley '68 - '70, I was fascinated by commercial broadcasting, and it may be the case that present day radio.noncomm readers might find such discussions interesting. Rec.radio.shortwave should stay as it is. -- KUFX | w ["] | WA6MBV 94.5 |.. |___|_____..duncan@bolero.ati.com | Jim Duncan FM | H | +1 408 297 5977 \_____I_____/ 37 3 10N/121 59 10W --------------- From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Sun Apr 7 23:45:11 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Mon, 08 Apr 91 21:37:42 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa04562; Sun, 7 Apr 91 23:45:10 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA02039; Sun, 7 Apr 91 18:51:30 -0400 Message-Id: <9104072251.AA02039@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 9514; Sun, 07 Apr 91 18:50:41 EDT Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 0265; Sun, 07 Apr 91 18:49:57 EDT Date: Sun, 7 Apr 91 20:40:40 GMT Reply-To: Dave Bakken Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: Dave Bakken Subject: (the last) Mideast English Language Shortwave schedule To: Lee Reynolds Shortwave and Mediumwave (AM) radio schedules for the Middle East ----------------------------------------------------------------- Prologue: ========= This page includes general information about this radio list. You should only send the following pages on to anyone in the Middle East, since this page is not really useful for them. There will be a good number of US troops in the Mideast for at least a few more months, and they are probably bored stiff now that their raison d'etre has gone. This schedule has a lot of updates for the spring schedules, so lets get them out to the troops! It is also the last one I will post, barring a barrage of new spring schedules that I come across. Getting the most current copy: ------------------------------ I am disabling the ftp here, since this should be the last copy. If someone really needs one they can email me (don't ask me how they could get my address without getting this schedule, too). Radios for the Troops --------------------- The Christian Science Monitor sells a few different shortwave radios, and they have come up with a very kind and generous offer (in my opinion) to help out the troops. It is valid until May 1, and I have enclosed the offer after this page. I can strongly recommend the Sangean ATS 803A. It is the almost-unanimous choice for a entry-level shortwave for those that will listen a lot (there are cheaper ones, but without external antenna hookups, digital tuning, etc). And the 803A is the one that I personally own. Again, kudos to the CSM people for their generous offer. $123 for the 803A is about $50 less than you can get it anywhere else via mail order. [I am not afiliated with the Christian Science Monitor or religion in any way---I just appreciate what they've done]. Distribution and Copyright -------------------------- This document is hereby placed in the public domain. You may copy it as much as you like. Also, please post it to buletin boards or pertinent mailing lists that you use. Lets get this to as many bored and homesick troops as we can to help them out! Dave Bakken Internet: bakken@cs.arizona.edu Dept. of Comp. Sci.; U.of Ariz. UUCP: uunet!arizona!bakken Tucson, AZ 85721; USA Bitnet: bakken%cs.arizona.edu@Arizrvax AT&T: +1 602 621 4089 FAX: +1 602 621 4246 ======== snip ========== snip, snip =========== snippety-snip ====== THE WORLD SERVICE OF THE CHRISTIAN SCIENCE MONITOR HAS BEGUN A PUBLIC SERVICE OFFER TO PROVIDE QUALITY MULTI-BAND RADIOS FOR US TROOPS STATIONED OVERSEAS, AT COST WITH NO SHIPPING OR HANDLING CHARGES. INDIVIDUALS OR FIRMS CAN NOW PURCHASE THE SANGEAN ATS 803-A OR THE SANGEAN MS 103-A FOR $123 AND $65, RESPECTIVELY, FOR SHIPMENT TO AN APO OR FPO ADDRESS. BOTH RADIOS ARE FULL BAND COVERAGE AM/FM/SW, WITH BUILT-IN CLOCK/ALARMS AND MANY OTHER FEATURES. BOTH RADIOS COME WITH AN INFORMATIVE PAMPHLET "INTRODUCTION TO INTERNATIONAL RADIO LISTENING." ADDITIONALLY, THE MS 103-A COMES WITH THE 1991 "PASSPORT TO WORLD BAND RADIO." PURCHASES OF RADIOS (OR DONATIONS TOWARDS RADIOS) ARE ALSO BEING ACCEPTED FOR "ANY SERVICE PERSONNEL/UNIT." THESE RADIOS WILL BE DISTRIBUTED THROUGH THE OFFICES OF THE MILITARY MORALE OFFICERS TO DAY ROOMS, ORDERLY ROOMS AND REC ROOMS OF UNITS STATIONED OVERSEAS. TO PURCHASE RADIOS, OR TO GET MORE INFORMATION, CALL TOLL-FREE 1-(800)-448-2466, 8:30-4:30 MON-FRI, OR WRITE THE CHRISTIAN SCIENCE PUBLISHING SOCIETY c/o GENERAL MARKETING P410 ONE NORWAY STREET BOSTON, MA 02115 OR E-MAIL cee@wshb.csms.com OR letterbox@csms.com THIS OFFER WILL EXPIRE ON MAY 1, 1991 Following is a listing of English shortwave and mediumwave (AM) programs that are likely to be receivable in Arabia by most types of shortwave radios (and normal radios, for AM --- 530--1600KHz). Reception can vary from day to day, so if one frequency is not coming in well try the others (see the poor man's propagation chart on a following page). Also, signals travel best in the dark, so the best listening is when it is night for the entire path of the signal. During the night signals in the 6000-9500 KHz range will generally come in best, and during the day those above 15000. Finally, most shortwave broadcasts begin with a buletin of world news. I welcome additions and corrections to this list; send email to me bakken@cs.arizona.edu or uunet!arizona!bakken or, if you must, SNAIL MAIL to Dave Bakken [a lowly grad student; was in USMA '83 for 2 years] Dept. of Computer Science Gould-Simpson Building The University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 USA All times below are UTC (which is basically GMT; Riyadh is UTC+3). All frequencies are KHz (so divide by 1000 to get MHz). Send this to anyone you know in Operation Desert Storm; chances are decent that it will help them. Post it to bulliten boards that you frequent, too---maybe people there will send it to our troops. Please tell me frequencies aren't coming in and I'll drop them. I have not received new schedules (effective starting March 31) for all of the following stations. If the station abbreviation is followed by an asterisk, then this is the case for that station. However, schedules don't change that much that fast, so probably most if not the vast majority of such data are still correct. Propogation Chart for Reception in the Middle East (gives the probable best MHz band to listen at a given time) Source: 1990 World Radio TV Handbook (should be still good (didn't change from 1989 WRTH) Key: EUR=Europe, NA=North America, AM=America, ME=Middle East, AS=Asia, AF=Africa, AUS=Australia, NZ=New Zealand March+April | EUR E.NA W.NA C.AM C.AF ME E.AS AUS | N.AF S.AM S.AF S.AS NZ ----------+------------------------------------------------- 0000-0400 | 9 9 9 9 9 7 7 9 0400-0800 | 9 9 9 9 9 9 11 15 0800-1200 | 9 6 6 9 15 15 15 17 1200-1600 | 17 6 9 11 17 15 11 9 1600-2000 | 15 15 9 15 15 9 9 9 2000-2400 | 11 11 15 15 9 7 9 9 May-August | EUR E.NA W.NA C.AM C.AF ME E.AS AUS | N.AF S.AM S.AF S.AS NZ ----------+------------------------------------------------- 0000-0400 | 9 11 11 11 7 7 9 9 0400-0800 | 9 11 11 11 6 9 11 15 0800-1200 | 11 11 9 11 11 11 15 15 1200-1600 | 15 15 9 11 15 15 11 11 1600-2000 | 15 15 11 15 15 9 9 9 2000-2400 | 11 15 11 15 9 7 9 9 Station Codes (note: not all broadcast from their home country--- some have other transmitters) ----------------------------------------------------------- ALB* = Radio Tirana, Albania ALG* = Radio Algiers, Algeria ARG* = Radiofusion Argentina Al Exterior, Argentina ARM* = Radio Yerevan (Armenia) AST* = Radio Austria International AUS = Radio Australia BAG* = Radio Baghdad, Iraq BAN = Radio Bangladesh BBC = British Broadcasting Corporation, Great Britian BFB* = British Forces Broadcasting Service BEI = Radio Beijing, China CAN* = Radio Canada International CSM = Christian Science Monitor Radio, United States CUB* = Radio Habana, Cuba DUB* = Radio Dubai, United Arab Emirates (UAE) EGY* = Radio Cairo, Egypt FRA* = Radio France International GER = Radio Deutsche Welle, Germany HOL = Radio Nederlands, Holland IDO* = Voice of Indonesia IRN* = Radio Tehran, Iran ISR = Kol Israel (Israel Radio External Service) JAP* = Radio Japan JOR* = Radio Jordan LEB* = Voice of Hope, Lebanon LIB* = Radio Jamahiriya, LIBYA LIE* = Voice of Peace, Iraq NOR* = Radio Norway POR* = Radiodifusao Portuguesa, Portugal RSA = The Voice of South Africa SAU* = BSKSA, Saudi Arabia SPA* = Radio Exterior de Espana, Spain SWE = Radio Sweden SWI* = Swiss Radio International SYR* = Radio Damascus, Syria TUR = Radio Turkey UAE* = Voice of UAE, Abu Dhabi VOA* = Voice of America, United States YUG* = Radio Yugoslavia UTC(GMT) |who|frequencies (KHz) # UTC(GMT) |who|frequencies (KHz) ---------+---+------------------------#----------+---+----------------------- 0000-0030|ISR| 9435 11605 15640 # 0800-0830|ALB| 9500 11835 0000-0100|VOA| 792 1260 1350 6125 # 0800-0900|IDO|11755 11785 0000-0100|VOA|11805 11825 15225 # 0800-1000|VOA| 1260 11735 15160 15195 0000-0200|CSM| 9850 # 0800-1000|VOA|21570 21700 0100-0130|ISR| 9435 11605 15640 # 0830-0855|HOL| 9770 (not Sun) 0100-0130|SWE| 9765 # 0830-0925|HOL|21485 17575 0100-0200|IDO|11755 11785 # 0900-0915|BBC|21470 0100-0200|SWE| 1179 9770 # 0900-0950|GER| 6160 9565 11740 15410 0100-0200|VOA| 792 1260 1350 6095 # 0900-0950|GER|17780 17820 21465 21600 0100-0200|VOA| 6125 11805 11825 15225 # 0900-0950|GER|21650 21680 0100-0400|AUS|17630 21775 # 0900-1330|BBC|11760 0200-0250|GER| 1548 7285 9615 9690 # 0915-1515|BBC|15575 0200-0250|GER|11945 11965 15235 # 0920-1000|BFB|15245 17830 21590 0200-0300|VOA| 792 1260 1350 5965 # 1000-1030|ISR|11588 15650 17575 17590 0200-0300|VOA| 6125 11805 11825 15225 # 1000-1030|ISR|21710 21790 0200-0330|BBC| 9670 # 1000-1100|VOA|11735 15160 15225 21570 0200-0330|EGY| 9475 9675 # 1000-1100|VOA|21705 0200-0400|CSM| 9850 # 1000-1200|LIE|11860 0230-0430|BAG|11810 11830 # 1000-1230|AUS|21525 0300-0330|JAP| 9645 # 1030-1055|DUB|15320 15435 17865 21700 0300-0330|VOA| 1260 5965 11825 11905 # 1100-1200|RSA|17835 0300-0330|VOA|15160 17810 # 1130-1200|ALB| 9480 11835 0300-0400|BBC| 1413 # 1130-1200|SWE|11960 17740 21570 0300-0430|BBC|12095 # 1130-1225|HOL|17575 21480 21520 0300-0815|BBC|11760 # 1130-1225|IRN| 9575 9705 11715 11790 0330-0400|ARM| 7400 9750 15180 17690 # 1130-1225|IRN|11940 0330-0400|ARM|17720 # 1200-1400|CSM|13625 0330-0400|DUB|11945 13675 15400 15435 # 1200-1415|JOR|13655 0400-0415|ISR| 9435 11605 11655 15640 # 1215-1330|EGY|17595 0400-0415|ISR|17575 # 1230-1300|BAN|15195 17850 0400-0430|VOA| 792 5995 6140 7170 # 1230-1330|SWE|21570 0400-0430|VOA| 7200 9715 # 1300-1330|SWE|11960 17740 21570 0400-0450|GER| 6145 7150 7225 9565 # 1300-1330|YUG| 9720 17725 21635 0400-0450|GER| 9765 11765 11890 13610 # 1300-1500|AUS|17630 21775 0400-0450|GER|13770 15425 # 1320-1400|JOR| 9560 (till 1850?) 0400-0500|CAN|11925 # 1330-1400|BFB|15390 17695 21735 0400-0500|RSA|11920 # 1330-1400|DUB|15320 15435 17865 21605 0400-0500|TUR| 9445 17880 # 1330-1400|DUB|21675 0400-0600|CSM| 9840 # 1330-1400|SWI| 7480 11695 13635 15570 0400-0730|BBC|21470 # 1330-1400|SWI|17830 21630 0400-2030|BBC|15070 # 1330-1400|TUR|17785 0430-0500|ALB| 9480 11835 # 1400-1430|ALB| 9500 11985 0430-0500|VOA| 5995 6140 7170 7200 # 1400-1500|FRA|21770 0430-0500|VOA| 9715 # 1400-1500|SWE|21570 0500-0600|VOA| 792 5995 6060 6140 # 1400-1600|BEI|11815 15165 0500-0600|VOA| 7170 7200 9670 9700 # 1400-1600|CSM|13625 0500-0600|VOA| 9715 9760 11825 15205 # 1400-1600|CSM|21670 0500-0800|AUS|17630 # 1400-1600|JAP|21700 0530-0600|AST|15410 21490 # 1430-1525|HOL|13770 17605 17575 0530-0600|DUB|15435 17830 17865 21700 # 1430-1530|AUS|17630 0600-0630|VOA| 792 5995 6060 6095 # 1430-1600|LEB| 6280 0600-0630|VOA| 6140 7170 7325 9700 # 1500-1550|GER| 9735 11965 13610 17735 0600-0630|VOA| 9760 11805 11825 15205 # 1500-1550|GER|17765 21600 0600-1000|LEB| 6280 # 1500-1600|VOA| 1260 7125 9645 9700 0630-0700|VOA| 792 3980 5995 6060 # 1500-1600|VOA|15205 15395 0630-0700|VOA| 6095 6140 7170 7325 # 1500-1800|RSA|15210 0630-0700|VOA| 9700 9760 11805 11825 # 1500-1830|BBC| 9740 0630-0700|VOA|15205 # 1530-1600|ALB| 9500 11835 0700-0800|JAP|15325 21690 # 1530-1600|SWI|13685 15430 17830 21695 0730-0825|HOL| 9630 9715 # 1530-1800|AUS| 9860 13745 17630 1600-1630|POR|17755 (Mon-Fri) # 1900-2100|CUB|15435 1600-1630|VOA| 7125 9645 9700 15205 # 1900-2100|VOA| 6040 9700 9760 11710 1600-1630|VOA|15395 # 1900-2100|VOA|15205 1600-1640|DUB|11795 13675 15320 15400 # 1930-2000|AST|12010 1600-1640|DUB|21605 21675 # 1930-2000|SWE| 1179 6065 9655 1600-1650|GER| 1548 6170 7225 15105 # 1930-2000|YUG| 7165 15165 1600-1650|GER|15415 15595 17810 21680 # 1930-2030|IRN| 9022 6030 1600-1700|BEI| 9570 # 2000-2100|BEI| 9440 1600-1700|FRA| 6175 17620 17795 # 2000-2100|CUB|17875 1600-1800|CSM|13625 # 2000-2200|BEI| 7315 9920 1600-1800|LIE|11860 # 2000-2200|CSM|15300 1600-2100|SAU| 9705 9720 # 2000-2200|IDO|11755 11785 1600-????|FRA|15360 # 2000-2300|LEB| 6280 1600-????|NOR|15225 21730 (Sat/Sun) # 2005-2105|SYR| 9950 12085 1630-1700|VOA| 6180 7125 9645 9700 # 2030-2100|SWE| 6065 1630-1700|VOA|11710 15205 15245 15395 # 2030-2200|EGY|15375 1630-1830|EGY|15255 # 2100-2130|POR|15250 1700-1715|ISR|11588 11655 # 2100-2150|GER| 9670 9765 11785 13780 1700-1730|SWE| 1179 6065 9615 # 2100-2150|GER|15350 15360 1700-1730|VOA| 792 1197 3980 6040 # 2100-2150|TUR| 9795 1700-1730|VOA| 7125 9645 9700 15205 # 2100-2200|VOA| 1260 6040 9700 9760 1700-1730|VOA|15395 # 2100-2200|VOA|11710 11960 15205 1700-1800|BEI| 7405 9570 11575 # 2100-2300|BAG|13660 1700-1800|JAP|15210 21700 # 2110-2210|SYR| 9950 12085 1700-1830|BBC| 7160 # 2115-2245|EGY| 9900 1700-2030|BBC|12095 # 2130-2200|ISR| 9435 11588 11605 11655 1730-1800|AST|12010 # 2130-2200|ISR|15640 17575 1730-1800|VOA| 792 6040 7125 9645 # 2200-2230|SWE| 1179 6065 1730-1800|VOA| 9700 15205 15395 # 2200-2230|VOA| 1350 9530 11905 11960 1745-1830|BBC| 1413 # 2200-2230|VOA|15225 15445 17885 1800-1900|ARG|15345 (Mon-Fri) # 2200-2300|SWE| 1179 1800-1900|LIB|15450 # 2200-2400|UAE|11985 6170 9600 1800-1900|SWE|11900 1179 # 2201-2200|LIE|11860 1800-1900|VOA| 6040 9700 15205 # 2230-0100|AUS|15240 1800-2000|CSM|13625 # 2230-2400|LIB| 7245 1815-1900|BAN|15255 17805 # 2230-2400|VOA| 792 1260 1350 9530 1830-1900|SWE| 6065 15270 # 2230-2400|VOA|11905 11960 15225 15445 1830-1900|SWI| 9885 11955 # 2230-2400|VOA|17885 1900-1930|ISR| 9435 11605 15640 17630 # 2300-2330|ISR| 9435 11605 15640 1900-2000|ALG| 9510 9685 15215 # 2300-2350|TUR| 9445 9665 9685 17880 1900-2000|SPA|15395 # 2300-2400|JAP|11735 1900-2030|BBC| 1413 # 2330-0030|SWE| 1179 1900-2030|BBC| 7160 # 2330-2400|SWE| 1179 1900-2100|BEI| 6955 9440 # ======== snip ========== snip, snip =========== snippety-snip ====== -- Dave Bakken Internet: bakken@cs.arizona.edu Dept. of Comp. Sci.; U.of Ariz. UUCP: uunet!arizona!bakken Tucson, AZ 85721; USA Bitnet: bakken%cs.arizona.edu@Arizrvax AT&T: +1 602 621 4089 FAX: +1 602 621 4246 From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Mon Apr 8 06:50:06 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Mon, 08 Apr 91 21:37:55 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa11495; Mon, 8 Apr 91 6:50:04 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA13992; Mon, 8 Apr 91 02:19:15 -0400 Message-Id: <9104080619.AA13992@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 9645; Mon, 08 Apr 91 02:18:01 EDT Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 0842; Mon, 08 Apr 91 02:13:38 EDT Date: Mon, 8 Apr 91 03:58:18 GMT Reply-To: Ralph Brandi Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: Ralph Brandi Subject: Introduction to rec.radio.shortwave (Shortwave) To: Lee Reynolds This is a copy of the latest revision of the monthly introductory posting covering shortwave radio. The main changes include information about the SINPO and SIO codes, changes to reflect the current status of ANARC, and a change in the recommendation for texts for further information, reflecting the difficulty in finding some books. Questions, comments and suggestions are welcome, as always. ---- [Last modified: Apr 7 1991] Compiled by Ralph Brandi, ralph@mtunq.att.com 128 Greenoak Blvd., Middletown, NJ 07748 U.S.A. [Note from the compiler--This article is posted monthly on the USENET group rec.radio.shortwave. It is also available electronically on CompuServe, America Online, the ANARC BBS, Pinelands RBBS, and from the rec.radio.shortwave ftp archive on funic.funet.fi, and in print from the ARRL. If you find this article somewhere else and/or find it useful, I would appreciate if you could drop me a postcard or send me e-mail letting me know where you found it, what the Last modified date on the copy you have is, and if you have any suggestions to make the article more helpful. If you don't find it useful, I'd like to hear about that as well.] This posting contains answers to the following questions: o What is shortwave radio? o Where can I find broadcasts by Radio Foobar? o Where can I find a list of broadcasts in the English language? o What kind of receiver should I get? o Where can I get a shortwave radio? o Could you explain the frequencies used? What's the 40 meter band? etc. o What is SINPO/SIO? o Why can't I receive all of the broadcasts listed in Monitoring Times/WRTH/Passport/etc.? o What are some books or other resources that can help me get started? o Where can I find further information? o What is shortwave radio? From a purely technical point of view, shortwave radio refers to those frequencies between 3 and 30 MHz. Their main characteristic is their ability to "propagate" for long distances, making possible such worldwide communications as international broadcasting and coordination of long-distance shipping. From a social point of view, shortwave radio is a method of facilitating worldwide dissemination of information and opinion, and a way to find out what the rest of the world thinks is important. Many countries broadcast to the world in English, making it easy to find out what a given country's position is on those things it finds important. Shortwave radio can also provide a way to eavesdrop on the everyday workings of international politics and commerce. o Where can I find broadcasts by Radio Foobar? The World Radio TV Handbook is the standard reference for this sort of information. The WRTH provides SWLs worldwide with virtually everything they need on frequencies, schedules and addresses. It comes out annually, right about the first of the year, with an optional update magazine throughout the year. It covers virtually every shortwave station in the world, and many of the medium wave (AM), FM, and television stations as well. The body of the book is a listing of stations by country, with a cross-reference in the back by frequency. It's available from any radio store dealing in shortwave. World Radio TV Handbook ISBN 0-8230-5921-9 Billboard Publications Billboard Ltd. WRTH 1515 Broadway 71 Beak Street Soliljevej 44 New York, NY 10036 London W1R 3LF DK-2650 Hvidovre United States United Kingdom Denmark The past five years have seen competition of a sort for the WRTH, in the form of Passport to World Band Radio. Passport's main section is a graph/table of what's on the air, by frequency. There are few addresses, but the beginning of the book is filled with articles of interest to the beginner. There is also a comprehensive review section of shortwave receivers currently available, one of the few places all this information can be found in one place. The book is more useful for identifying a station you've already tuned in than for searching out a particular transmission; the WRTH is useful at both, however, rendering the purchase of this book not essential. It can still be worthwhile, though, especially for beginners who won't be put off by the "gee whiz, look what we can listen to" tone of some of the articles. The book is unabashedly an advocate of making the hobby of "World Band Radio" accessible to people who wouldn't have participated before the advent of good, cheap portables. Passport to World Band Radio International Broadcast Services, Ltd. Box 300 Penn's Park, PA 18943 For utility band listeners, there are a couple of books that perform much the same function as the above two books, although due to the nature of point-to-point communication, not with the same sense of definitiveness. Confidential Frequency List Published by Gilfer Shortwave (address elsewhere) The Shortwave Directory Published by Grove Enterprises (address elsewhere) o Where can I find a list of broadcasts in the English language? The World Radio TV Handbook has a list of English Language Broadcasts, starting on page 536 of the 1991 edition. Unfortunately, since the WRTH only comes out once a year (they do have a quarterly magazine to update the book; information is available in the WRTH), the data tend to go out of date fairly quickly. There are a number of sources for current lists: -Monitoring Times magazine carries a listing every month, one of the best arguments I know of for subscribing (it's what keeps me on their rolls....) -The North American Shortwave Association (NASWA) periodically publishes a complete listing in their bulletin, The Journal, sent to all members monthly; each month there are updates to the list. NASWA can be reached at: NASWA 45 Wildflower Road Levittown, PA 19057 Membership costs: $23/yr; sample issue $1 -Tom Sundstrom, sysop of the Pinelands BBS in New Jersey (609-859-1910 modem) offers a subscription service with constantly updated electronic versions of his listing (which are also the source for the NASWA listings). It comes in dBASE III format, compressed using the .ARC format; dBASE III is the format used by Tom's Shortwave Database program for MS-DOS computers. o What kind of receiver should I get? That depends largely on what kind of listening you expect to do. There are two or three basic kinds of radios. The first is the travel portable. These usually cost between $70 and $250. Their main characteristic is their extremely small size, making them most suitable for the person who spends a lot of time on airplanes. They do an adequate job of receiving the major broadcasters, such as the BBC, the Voice of America, Radio Nederland, etc. They are generally not capable of receiving hams, or utility transmissions, and they do not do a good job on weak stations. Many of them also lack frequency coverage beyond the major international broadcasting bands. As such, they cannot receive the out-of-band channels that often provide clearer reception (due to lessened interference) of such stations as the BBC, Kol Israel, and the Voice of Iran. The second category overlaps with the first, and consists of slightly larger portables. Common among this category are radios like the Sangean ATS-803A, a fine starter radio with many capabilities for the inexpensive price of $200. These radios often have digital readout, making it easier to know which frequency you are tuned to, and such features as dual conversion (which decreases the possibility of your radio receiving spurious signals from other frequencies), audio filters (which allow you to decrease interference from stations on adjacent frequencies) and beat frequency oscillators (which allow you to decode morse code and single sideband (SSB) transmissions on the ham and utility bands). The top range of this kind of radio includes technically sophisticated radios like the Sony ICF-2010 and Grundig Satellit 500, which contain innovative circuitry to lock on to a given signal and allow you to choose the portion of the signal you want to listen to, depending on which part gets the least interference. If you follow the newsgroup for any amount of time, you're bound to notice some discussion of the relative merit of these features versus their cost (about double that of the Sangean radio.) Many of these radios can be and have been used to receive distant and weak stations from a number of countries; they're also suitable for listening to programs from the major broadcasters. The third category of receivers is the tabletop receiver. These receivers cost from $600 upward, with a concentration of radios around $1000. These radios naturally contain many more features than the portables, and are used by serious hobbyists who specialize in rare and weak stations. Current radios in this group include the ICOM R-71A, the Kenwood R-5000, and the Japan Radio Corporation NRD-525. These radios can be very complex to operate, and are generally not recommended for the beginner. Radios from the first two categories can give a beginner a very good idea of what's on the air and where their interests lie, at which point one of these radios may be an appropriate acquisition. Additional radios in this catagory which are to be released this year include the NRD-535D and the Drake R-8. There are many sources for detailed information on specific radios, most of it provided by two groups. Larry Magne, who publishes the Passport to World Band Radio, includes a review of virtually all shortwave radios currently available in that publication. For more extensive reviews of selected receivers, he offers detailed "white papers", which run between ten and twenty pages or so. Magne also contributes a monthly review column to Monitoring Times. The other main source for equipment reviews is a group centered around Radio Nederland and the WRTH in Holland. The WRTH, as mentioned above, has a review section covering mainly new receivers, but also contains a table with ratings of most currently available radios. Radio Nederland also offers a free booklet with receiver reviews. There are also two books published by Gilfer Shortwave in New Jersey that cover the subject of receivers, called *Radio Receivers, Chance or Choice*, and *More Radio Receivers, Chance or Choice*. Here are some addresses for sources for more information and receivers mentioned above: RDI White Papers same address as Passport to World Band Radio Radio Nederland Receiver Guide Engineering Department PO Box 222 1200 JG Hilversum The Netherlands Radio Receivers, Chance or Choice More Radio Receivers, Chance or Choice Published by Gilfer Shortwave (address in next section) o Where can I get a shortwave radio? Many stereo stores and discount chains carry the Sony and Panasonic lines of receivers; the people there, however, generally don't know much about shortwave, and you're not likely to find many accessories there. Mail order stereo sources like J&R Music or 47th Street Photo in New York generally give the cheapest prices, but have the same problem. More knowledgeable, and falling roughly between the two in price, are the mail order houses that specialize in ham and/or shortwave radio. Many of them offer catalogs that contain useful tips for the beginner. Listing all of the houses is beyond the scope of this posting, but here are addresses for some of the better-known and respected businesses: Electronic Equipment Bank Gilfer Shortwave 137 Church St. N.W. 52 Park Ave Vienna, VA 22180 Park Ridge, NJ 07656 (800) 368 3270 (orders) (800) GILFER-1 (445-3371) (orders) (703) 938-3350 (local and (201) 391-7887 (New Jersey, business technical information) and technical) (703) 938-6911 (FAX) Free Catalog Free catalog Grove Enterprises Radio West P.O. Box 98 850 Anns Way Drive Brasstown, NC 28902 Vista, CA 92083 (800) 438-8155 (619) 726-3910 (704) 837-9200 Price list: $1 Free Catalog Universal Radio 1280 Aida Drive Reynoldsburg, Ohio 43068 (800) 431-3939 (614) 866-4267 SWL Catalog: $1.00 o Could you explain the frequencies used? What's the 40 meter band? etc. As you tune around, you'll notice certain kinds of signals tend to be concentrated together. Different services are allocated different frequency ranges. International broadcasters, for instance, are assigned to ten frequency bands up and down the dial. These are: 3900-4000 kHz (75 meter band) 13600-13800 kHz (22 meter band) 5950-6200 kHz (49 meter band) 15100-15600 kHz (19 meter band) 7100-7300 kHz (41 meter band) 17550-17900 kHz (16 meter band) 9500-9900 kHz (31 meter band) 21450-21850 kHz (13 meter band) 11650-12050 kHz (25 meter band) 25600-26100 kHz (11 meter band) In general, lower frequencies (below 10000 kHz) are better received at night and for a few hours surrounding dawn and dusk, and higher frequencies (15000 kHz and up) are better received during the day. The frequencies in between are transitional, with reception being possible most times. In practice, these guidelines are not absolute, with reception on high frequencies being possible at night, and lower frequencies can provide decent medium-distance reception during the day. Hams (who have their own newsgroups, rec.radio.amateur.*) and point-to-point, or utility communications, fill most of the rest of the frequencies. The Confidential Frequency List and The Shortwave Guide mentioned above can provide more information on what can be heard in these areas, as can utility loggings in magazines like Monitoring Times and Popular Communications, and in club bulletins. o What is SINPO/SIO? The SINPO code is a way of quantifying reception conditions in a five-digit code, especially for use in reception reports to broadcasters. The code covers Signal strength, Interference (from other stations), Noise (from atmospheric conditions), Propagation disturbance (or Fading, in the SINFO code), andOverall. The code is as follows: (S)ignal (I)nterference (N)oise (P)ropagation (O)verall 5 excellent 5 none 5 none 5 none 5 excellent 4 good 4 slight 4 slight 4 slight 4 good 3 fair 3 moderate 3 moderate 3 moderate 3 fair 2 poor 2 severe 2 severe 2 severe 2 poor 1 barely aud. 1 extreme 1 extreme 1 extreme 1 unusable In recent years, many broadcasters have tried to steer listeners away from the SINPO code and toward the simpler SIO code. SIO deletes the extremes (1 and 5) and the noise and propagation categories, which were confusing to too many people to be useful. In sending reports to stations other than large international broadcasters who are likely to understand the codes, it is better to simply describe reception conditions in words. o Why can't I receive all of the broadcasts listed in Monitoring Times/WRTH/Passport/etc.? This is a fact of life on shortwave. Because of propagation, antenna headings, the kind of radio you have, your local environment, etc., you're never going to be able to hear all the things you find in a list. The lists in Monitoring Times, etc., aren't lists of what's being heard in a general location. They're lists of everything that you could possibly hear, from a daily powerhouse like the BBC to a once or twice a year rarity like Bhutan. They're listed because you *might* hear them, depending on where you are and the given circumstances, not because they're necessarily being heard outside of their immediate target area. If you want lists of what is actually being heard in something roughly analogous to "your area", the best source for these are the logging sections of the bulletins of the SWL/DX clubs. You might want to sample a few club bulletins to see if they'll help. The bulletins also offer articles from experts on many facets of the hobby. o What are some books or other resources that can help me get started? There are a number of books dealing with the basics of the hobby. The most recent book, one that has been getting good reviews, is *The Shortwave Listening Guidebook* by Harry Helms. The book should be easily available from most shortwave specialty outlets. It is also being published directly by Mr. Helms, and is therefore likely to stay in print for a while. Due to the extreme difficulty in finding copies of Gerry Dexter's *Shortwave Listening With The Experts*, the recommendation of this book has been removed from this article. o Where can I find further information? There are a number of hobby publications available. Two glossy magazines which cover the hobby are Monitoring Times and Popular Communications. They both cover a number of aspects of the hobby, including international broadcasts, scanning, pirate radio, QSLing, and Utility broadcasting. Monitoring Times also contains listings of broadcasts and programs in English, which gives it a slight edge. PopComm, however, is the one you're more likely to find on your local newsstand. Monitoring Times published by Grove Enterprises (address elsewhere) Popular Communications 76 North Broadway Hicksville, NY 11801 There are many clubs catering to the hobbyist, many of which publish bulletins. Many of these groups are part of an all-encompassing group known as ANARC, the Association of North American Radio Clubs. ANARC has a list available of its constituent clubs, listing addresses, what the focus of each club is, club publications, and current dues. The future of ANARC is uncertain, but for now, you can contact them by writing to ANARC, 79 Kipps Street, Greenfield Park, Quebec J4V 3B1, Canada. You should include some form of return postage when asking for the club list. The WRTH contains contact addresses for the clubs that constitute ANARC. ANARC has counterpart organizations in Europe and the south Pacific. The European organization is the European DX Council (EDXC). More information on their constituent clubs is available for 2 International Reply Coupons from P.O. Box 4, St. Ives, Huntingdon, PE17 4FE, England. In the south Pacific, the organization is the South Pacific Association of Radio Clubs, or SPARC. They offer information from P.O. Box 1313, Invercargill, New Zealand. A company called The Radio Collection offers a number of publications in a series called "Radio 101" aimed at the beginner. The compiler hasn't seen any of the publications, but judging from the titles, they look like they would be useful to anyone getting seriously interested in the hobby aspects of shortwave radio. A catalog is available for US$1 from The Radio Collection, P.O. Box 149, Briarcliff Manor, NY 10510. And, naturally, listening to the radio can provide you with excellent information on radio. There are a number of excellent "DX" programs on the air for the radio hobbyist. The WRTH contains a comprehensive list of such shows; Tom Sundstrom also has a list as part of his Shortwave Database subscription service, Different shows have different strengths. DX Party Line on Ecuador's HCJB is directed toward the beginner. Sweden Calling DXers on Radio Sweden is a compendium of news about shortwave and satellites, including frequency changes, station reactivations and deactivations, and such. Radio Nederland's Media Network is a slickly produced general-coverage program. -- Ralph Brandi ralph@mtunq.att.com att!mtunq!ralph R.I.P. Radio Canada International 1942-1991 From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Mon Apr 8 10:50:27 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Mon, 08 Apr 91 21:38:00 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa14826; Mon, 8 Apr 91 10:50:26 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA08101; Mon, 8 Apr 91 06:38:02 -0400 Message-Id: <9104081038.AA08101@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 9709; Mon, 08 Apr 91 06:37:03 EDT Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 1080; Mon, 08 Apr 91 06:36:21 EDT Date: Mon, 8 Apr 91 07:16:21 GMT Reply-To: Terry Guelfo Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: Terry Guelfo Subject: Re: rec.radio.* reorganization To: Lee Reynolds In-Reply-To: message from rshapiro@arris.com >We need a group that's explicitly for shorwave listening . . . and is >explicitly named as such. I agree. I am the occasional shortwave listener... usually during winters, though I don't know why . I prefer to listen to the BBC and Radio Australia. Anyway, to get to the point, I don't like to wade through scanner and ham messages just to read the bit of info on SHORTWAVE listeners and serious dx'ers. I am glad this site (Pro-Harvest) finally picked this up, because I am sick and TIRED of mixed conferences. This one sort of "caters" to my interests. BTW: I am looking (finally) for a decent serious receiver. I was considering the Sony 2010. Any comments on my selection? Does anyone recommend something else? The price on this unit is a bit steep for me... but I might be willing to go that far if the quality is what it is said to be. Oh, and is anyone selling? Terry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ |Internet: tg.exc@pro-harvest.cts.com |UUCP: crash!pro-harvest!tg.exc | |ARPA: crash!pro-harvest!tg.exc@nosc.mil |ProLine: tg.exc@pro-harvest | |BITNET: tg.exc%pro-harvest.cts.com@nosc.mil | plucky.duck@pro-midnightex | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Mon Apr 8 13:44:54 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Mon, 08 Apr 91 21:38:07 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa18936; Mon, 8 Apr 91 13:44:54 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA24656; Mon, 8 Apr 91 09:28:08 -0400 Message-Id: <9104081328.AA24656@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 9829; Mon, 08 Apr 91 09:27:17 EDT Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 1468; Mon, 08 Apr 91 09:26:34 EDT Date: Sun, 7 Apr 91 07:48:00 EDT Reply-To: M_HAYDEN%GBURG.BITNET@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Sender: Short Wave Listener's List From: M_HAYDEN%GBURG.BITNET@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Subject: ICF2010 To: Lee Reynolds Finally in a position to purchase, I can find no dealer with the ICF2010 in stock. Most dealers are telling me that maybe in the summer they will again have units. Does anybody know of a place to purchase a new 2010 these days? From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Mon Apr 8 13:44:57 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Mon, 08 Apr 91 21:38:08 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa18947; Mon, 8 Apr 91 13:44:56 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA25318; Mon, 8 Apr 91 09:32:49 -0400 Message-Id: <9104081332.AA25318@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 9848; Mon, 08 Apr 91 09:31:58 EDT Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 1516; Mon, 08 Apr 91 09:29:05 EDT Date: Mon, 8 Apr 91 09:36:11 GMT Reply-To: Risto Kotalampi Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: Risto Kotalampi Subject: Re: CLUSIVE MEETING To: Lee Reynolds In-Reply-To: huopio@lut.fi's message of 6 Apr 91 13:52:32 In article huopio@lut.fi (Kauto Huopio OH5LFM) writes: Well, I guess an average r.r.s -reader doesn't know what is Clusive.. DXClusive is a info magazine for REAL DX-LISTENERS. I mean those people who spend all their winter holidays in Finnish Lapland trying to catch the rare 1 W carrier-current dorm stations in USA with HUGE antennas, say 1-2 kilometers in length. They hunt for old Trio tube receivers and completely re-build them to make them AMAZING signal-catchers.. DXClusive is NOT publicly available. You can subscribe it only if you contribute it with GOOD station loggings. NOT with that "I heard BBC WS yesterday on 9410".. The publication schedule is rather fast. DXClusive: For Serious Listeners Only! You are partly right, partly wrong. We are "real" hunters, indeed, and, fortunately, DXClusive isn't publicly available - we want to keep the level as high possible. But, Trio's aren't very seriously used anymore, NRD's and Icom's are the top nowadays and I guess nobody uses wires longer than ~1200-1300 metres (2 km... huh). Schedule is rather fast : every 2 weeks in winter, and every 3 weeks in summer, total of 22 publications in 1991. DX-Clusive : For Serious Listeners Only! PS: I am not one of the Clusive gang.. PS: I am one of those... -- # Risto Kotalampi, rko@cs.tut.fi # Tel. : 162 921 # # Tampere University of Technology # Room : SL212 # # Signal Processing Laboratory # # From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Mon Apr 8 15:49:06 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Mon, 08 Apr 91 21:38:15 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa21378; Mon, 8 Apr 91 15:49:05 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA13280; Mon, 8 Apr 91 11:10:49 -0400 Message-Id: <9104081510.AA13280@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 0074; Mon, 08 Apr 91 11:08:43 EDT Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 1953; Mon, 08 Apr 91 11:06:45 EDT Date: Mon, 8 Apr 91 13:22:13 GMT Reply-To: Tim Zickus Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: Tim Zickus Subject: Who was this? To: Lee Reynolds I heard what I assume to be a pirate testing on 7.415 USB, sunday morning. at 2:49 UTC, male voice counting from 1 to 10 at 2:58 UTC, male voice: "I'm a thousand miles from the border, and two thousand miles from Toronto. I don't even know where (static) is.", then counting from 1 to 11. Any ideas who this guy is? From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Mon Apr 8 17:45:31 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Mon, 08 Apr 91 21:38:23 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa23734; Mon, 8 Apr 91 17:45:30 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA02003; Mon, 8 Apr 91 12:52:01 -0400 Message-Id: <9104081652.AA02003@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 0253; Mon, 08 Apr 91 12:50:05 EDT Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 2534; Mon, 08 Apr 91 12:49:02 EDT Date: Mon, 8 Apr 91 12:27:56 GMT Reply-To: Risto Kotalampi Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: Risto Kotalampi Subject: WEYZ Erie PA (1330 kHz) To: Lee Reynolds Does anyone know the new address for WEYZ Erie PA, 1330 kHz on AM. My friend send his reception report to the address mentioned in NRC Domestic Log 1991 but it was an invalid address - the letter was returned to sender. -- # Risto Kotalampi, rko@cs.tut.fi # Tel. : 162 921 # # Tampere University of Technology # Room : SL212 # # Signal Processing Laboratory # # From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Mon Apr 8 18:49:47 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Mon, 08 Apr 91 21:38:27 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa25139; Mon, 8 Apr 91 18:49:45 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA26564; Mon, 8 Apr 91 14:37:37 -0400 Message-Id: <9104081837.AA26564@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 0434; Mon, 08 Apr 91 14:36:47 EDT Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 3082; Mon, 08 Apr 91 14:34:08 EDT Date: Mon, 8 Apr 91 14:58:18 GMT Reply-To: John Mayson Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: John Mayson Subject: Re: WEYZ Erie PA (1330 kHz) To: Lee Reynolds All I have is: WEYZ Erie, PA 16512 USA With that address, it'll get there eventually. I figure it's better than nothing. -- =============================================================================== =John Mayson Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - uucp : ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt3491a Internet : gt3491a@prism.gatech.edu Ham Radio : KC4VJO =============================================================================== = From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Mon Apr 8 19:48:29 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Mon, 08 Apr 91 21:38:32 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa26887; Mon, 8 Apr 91 19:48:29 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA02010; Mon, 8 Apr 91 14:52:15 -0400 Message-Id: <9104081852.AA02010@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 0469; Mon, 08 Apr 91 14:51:17 EDT Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 3183; Mon, 08 Apr 91 14:46:34 EDT Date: Mon, 8 Apr 91 15:46:31 GMT Reply-To: Benjamin C Evans Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: Benjamin C Evans Subject: RADIO NORWAY INTERNATIONAL SOMMER FREQ. To: Lee Reynolds Here are the summer freqs. for the world from Norway: UTENLANDS SENDINGEN RADIO NORWAY INTERNATIONAL Radio Norway International -Every Saturday & Sunday March 31 - September 28 1991 All broadcast are 30 min long. (English) UTC Target sector freq.MHz 1200 South Asia,India,Australia 21.695 Middle East,India 17.820 1300 Europe 9.590 Eastern Europe 11.860 1500 North America 15.305 " " 17.790 1600 Africa, Middle East 21.705 1700 Europe 9.655 1800 North America 17.755 1900 Europe,Africa 15.175 Far East,Australia,New Zeal. 17.730 2000 Greenland,North America 15.165 2200 S.America,Australia,New Zeal. 21.705 0100 North and Central America 15.360 " " " " 11.925 0200 North America 15.360 0400 North America 11.865 March 31 - September 28 1991 Alle sendinger er pa 30 min. (NORSK) Sommer 1991 UTC Sektor-omraade Frekv (mhz) 0600 Europa 9.590 Midt-0sten,Afrika 21.705 Aftika 17.765 0700 Europa 9.590 0st-Europa 15.165 0st-Europa 11.735 Vest-Arika,S0r-Europa 17.765 0800 Fjerne 0sten,New Zealand 21.730 S0r-Asia,India,Australia 17.740 0900 Fj 0sten,Australia, New Zeal. 21.730 S0r-Asia,India,Australia 25.730 1000 Sor-Europa,Vest-Afrika 21.610 Nord-Atlanteren,Gr0nland 15.165 1100 S0r-og Mellom-Amerika 17.790 S0r-Amerika 25.730 1200 Nord- og Mellem-Amerika 17.790 " " " " 21.705 S0r-Asia,India,Aurstralia 21.695 Midt-0sten,Asia 17.820 1300 Europa 9.590 0st-Europa 11.860 Nord- og Mellom-Amerika 17.790 Asia,Australia 21.710 1400 Nord- og Mellom-Amerika 17.790 Nord- og Mellom-amerika 21.705 S0r-Asia,India,Australia 21.710 1500 Nord-Amerika,Stillehavet 15.305 Nord-Amerika 17.790 Midt-0sten,Afrika 21.705 1600 Midt-0sten 15.230 Midt-0sten,Afrika 21.705 Nord-Amerika,Stillehavet 17.755 Nord-Amerika 17.790 1700 Europa 9.655 NOrd-Amerika 17.760 Europa,Midt-0sten 15.220 Vest-Afrika,S0r-Amerika 21.705 1800 Europa,Midt-0sten,Afrika 15.220 Afrika 17.730 Nord-Amerika 17.755 1900 Europa 15.175 S.-Europa,Afrika,S.-Amerika 21.705 Fj. 0sten,Australia,N.Zeal. 17.730 2000 S.-Europa,Afrika,S.-Amerika 21.705 Nord-Atlanteren,Gr0nland 15.165 2100 S0r-Amerika,N.Zealand (lr) 21.705 Fj. )sten,Australia,N.Zeal. 17.740 2200 Sor-Amerika,N.Zealand (lr) 21.705 Sor-Amerika 17.730 2300 Nord- og Mellom-Amerika 15.165 " " " " 17.755 0000 Asia,Australia 15.180 Sor-Asia,Australia 17.755 Nord- og Mellom-Amerika 15.360 " " " " 11.790 0100 Nord- og Mellom-Amerika 15.360 " " " " 11.925 0200 Nord-Amerika 11.925 " " 15.360 0300 Midt-0stem,Asia 15.175 Nord-Amerika 11.865 0400 Midt-0sten,Asia 11.870 Midt-0sten,Afrika 15.170 Nord-Amerika 11.865 0500 Europa 9.590 Midt-0sten,Afrika 17.765 Afrika 15.175 Nord-Amerika,Stillehavet 11.865 ********************************************************************** |---\ |----- |\ | * Benjamin (Ben) Evans God dag ! | | | | \ | * 11622 Eddington Ave. NW |---| |----- | \ | * Pickerington, Ohio 43147 Tusen Takk ! | | | | \| * United States of America |---/ |----- | | -------------------------------------------- ######################## Internet bevans@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ############## Cleveland ######################## Freenet am966@freenet-in-a.cwru.edu ********************************************************************** From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Mon Apr 8 21:50:36 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Mon, 08 Apr 91 21:38:44 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa00306; Mon, 8 Apr 91 21:50:34 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA00073; Mon, 8 Apr 91 16:54:17 -0400 Message-Id: <9104082054.AA00073@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 0636; Mon, 08 Apr 91 16:53:18 EDT Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 3752; Mon, 08 Apr 91 16:51:19 EDT Date: Mon, 8 Apr 91 14:33:35 EDT Reply-To: John Stanley Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: John Stanley Subject: Re: novice questions....... To: Lee Reynolds lrj@fibercom.COM (Larry Johnson) writes: > In article <1991Apr2.220032.3204@uoft02.utoledo.edu> > grx0644@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes: > >I am trying to learn about RF amplifiers and how they work. As you can see > >from my sig, I am not in electronics in any way, just interesting. I know > > Fortunately, there's a source of information that can give even non- > technical people as little or as much understanding of these and other > subjects as they like: Amateur Radio books and publications. For > Another approach is to take one of the beginner's classes given by many > Amateur Radio Union. If you need help finding you local society, I'm > sure that the IARU (c/o the ARRL at the above address) can help. You missed the location that Mr. GRX0644 posted from. If you wanna find out about electronics, and find all sorts of stuff, from books to the oddest looking radio objects you have ever seen (and some of the hardware is pretty odd looking, too) drive down to Dayton Hara Arena the morning of April 27th. Or, April 28th. Or April 26th. Bring money and expect to spend a lot of time. From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Mon Apr 8 23:42:52 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Mon, 08 Apr 91 21:39:02 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa03773; Mon, 8 Apr 91 23:42:51 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA29735; Mon, 8 Apr 91 19:23:38 -0400 Message-Id: <9104082323.AA29735@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 0806; Mon, 08 Apr 91 19:22:44 EDT Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 4318; Mon, 08 Apr 91 19:22:06 EDT Date: Sun, 7 Apr 91 18:55:01 GMT Reply-To: sikorski%RCF.RSMAS.MIAMI.EDU@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: sikorski%RCF.RSMAS.MIAMI.EDU@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Subject: Voice of Free Iraq loc'd near Jidda To: Lee Reynolds The location of Voice of Free Iraq is reported. (-: Do you think the CIA knows anything about it? :-) From a New York Times (Wire) Service article in the Miami Herald 6-Apr (Saturday): (extracted w/o permission) I'm using '...' when I leave stuff out, and '[ ]' when I move stuff. Richard ... sikorski@rcf.rsmas.miami.edu --------------------------extracted article------------------------ A Kurdish expatriate, [Dr. Firiad Hiwaizi], in London says he was recruited by Saudi intelligence ... to record broadcasts at [the Voice of Free Iraq] clandestine radio station in which he urged fellow Kurds inside Iraq to overthrow President Saddam Hussein. ... At the time he made the tape recordings for broadcast, he said, the station, on the outskirts of Jidda, the Saudi capital, was managed by 40 Iraqi expatriates and protected by armed Saudi guards. ... Other Kurdish dissidents and some American government officials maintained in interviews this week that the station was probably created by the CIA under a secret authorization signed by President Bush late last year. NBC News also reported this week that the station was a CIA-backed operation. [CIA officials have neither confirmed nor denied the agency's involvement]. From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Wed Apr 10 00:44:13 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Tue, 09 Apr 91 21:17:56 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa06669; Wed, 10 Apr 91 0:44:13 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA24538; Tue, 9 Apr 91 20:12:51 -0400 Message-Id: <9104100012.AA24538@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 2162; Tue, 09 Apr 91 20:12:00 EDT Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 9223; Tue, 09 Apr 91 20:04:04 EDT Date: Tue, 9 Apr 91 22:11:56 GMT Reply-To: xx192%cleveland.Freenet.Edu@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: Radio Scanner Sig Subject: Radio Scanner SIG on Cleveland Free-Net To: Lee Reynolds For those of you that have access to internet, etc.. and can connect to the Cleveland Free-Net, you may want to check out the Radio Scanner SIG.. This sig has only been online for a few weeks now. But, it has some pretty 'up-to-date' information concerning local (Cleveland, OH Area) frequencies, etc... Stop by and check it out....... -- Radio Scanner SIG (go scan) SigOps: Scott Berringer (aa617@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) Andrew Berringer (aa618@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) John Griffith (aa667@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Wed Apr 10 00:44:11 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Tue, 09 Apr 91 21:17:54 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa06660; Wed, 10 Apr 91 0:44:11 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA24389; Tue, 9 Apr 91 20:11:41 -0400 Message-Id: <9104100011.AA24389@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 2145; Tue, 09 Apr 91 20:10:49 EDT Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 9178; Tue, 09 Apr 91 20:02:29 EDT Date: Tue, 9 Apr 91 10:09:35 GMT Reply-To: NETNEWS%PSUVM.PSU.EDU@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Sender: Short Wave Listener's List From: NETNEWS%PSUVM.PSU.EDU@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Subject: Short Antennae To: Lee Reynolds In article <21805@shlump.nac.dec.com>, Dave Pierson writes: In article <3953@anasaz.UUCP>, John Moore writes, in part, concerning short antennas: >The antenna is not resonant - its impedance changes very little with >frequency, so it is indeed broadband. > >On the other hand, if you want to try to match impedances with it (or at >least, on a receive antenna, boost the output voltage), you will need >networks to do so. The easiest and lowest loss networks to do this >are resonant or at least frequency dependent, so they are very narrowband >unless you use a lot of elements. hrmmmm. Is not the commonly used FET amplifier an "impedance matching network", with (ahemmmm) negative loss? (albeit at the expense of some n*ise.) I guess the value of "easiest" is to be defined locally. 8)>> Err... This is true, BUT! Generally you need some degree of VOLTAGE boost before you go into a FET. Typically this is done with a resonant circuit which is narrowband. Of course, if you don't care about noise, you can just jack it into the FET. Just think, you can amplify a .0000000001uV signal up to Kilowatts using this technology! Of course you also end up with Megawatts of noise. Perhaps you DO care about noise! From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Wed Apr 10 00:44:08 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Tue, 09 Apr 91 21:17:51 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa06642; Wed, 10 Apr 91 0:44:07 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA24122; Tue, 9 Apr 91 20:09:55 -0400 Message-Id: <9104100009.AA24122@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 2110; Tue, 09 Apr 91 20:09:03 EDT Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 9081; Tue, 09 Apr 91 19:58:07 EDT Date: Tue, 9 Apr 91 20:14:07 GMT Reply-To: rats%IHLPM.UUCP@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: rats%IHLPM.UUCP@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Subject: Re: AM Stereo receivers To: Lee Reynolds Concerning the assertion that AM-stereo car radios do not use a kind of synchronous detection. I recall a Monitoring Times article a while back in which a person modified his SONY 2010 to give AM Stereo output; the SONY I believe uses ICs developed for AM Stereo radios. [I recall someone mentioning that Sangean was introducing an AM Stereo 'Walkman' type receiver. Has anyone actually purchased one of these? How much? Where do you get it? Performance?] From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Tue Apr 9 01:50:58 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Tue, 09 Apr 91 20:53:33 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa06218; Tue, 9 Apr 91 1:50:57 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA17850; Mon, 8 Apr 91 21:20:56 -0400 Message-Id: <9104090120.AA17850@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 0933; Mon, 08 Apr 91 21:19:57 EDT Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 4767; Mon, 08 Apr 91 21:19:31 EDT Date: Mon, 8 Apr 91 18:08:31 PLT Reply-To: Grant Hopper Sender: Short Wave Listener's List From: Grant Hopper Subject: FCC rules (where to find them?) To: Lee Reynolds I have been looking for a copy of FCC rules in an electronic form for a friend who is a ham and just got a computer. I believe that I am looking for the faimed PART 97 but really am not sure and I have not been able to get a hold of the friend since his request. Any help in locating the sections that I need would be most appriciated. ======================================================================== Grant Hopper | Standard | A journey of a thousand miles BITNET: HOPPER@WSUVM1 | disclaimer | begins with the first step... VOICE: (509) 332-0179 | applies | So, what are YOU waiting for? ======================================================================== From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Tue Apr 9 03:45:26 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Tue, 09 Apr 91 20:53:45 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa08267; Tue, 9 Apr 91 3:45:25 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA01543; Mon, 8 Apr 91 23:10:53 -0400 Message-Id: <9104090310.AA01543@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 1019; Mon, 08 Apr 91 23:09:59 EDT Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 5103; Mon, 08 Apr 91 23:09:17 EDT Date: Tue, 9 Apr 91 02:12:15 GMT Reply-To: Ken Staggers Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: Ken Staggers Subject: RFD: rec.arts.radio To: Lee Reynolds WOW! Great response last week to this proposal. So here goes the formal Request For Discussion: rec.arts.radio. Name Of The Proposed Group: rec.arts.radio Charter: A worldwide news group whose purpose will be to discuss the business of radio broadcasting. This will encompass programming, legal issues, personalities, etc (see below), Moderator: Unmoderated Request For Discussion Start Date: April 9, 1991 End Of RFD Date: May 8, 1991 Preliminary Voting Start Date: May 9, 1991 Preliminary Voting End Date: May 30, 1991 This group would be created to discuss the programming and the business of radio, just as rec.arts.tv is to the TV industry. Recent discussions of Howard Stern in rec.arts.tv, and general mentioning of radio in rec.music.misc suggests there may be an interest in this. ** Followup discussion to news.groups ** If I receive mail on this RFD, I will summarize and post it on April 24th and May 7th. --Ken (The Travelin' Fool) staggers@casbah.acns.nwu.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Is there any interest to starting a new newsgroup to discuss RADIO? This would/could encompass many different avenues of radio (not just music). Possible Ideas Of Discussion: Talk Radio: Larry King, Bob Grant, Paul Harvey, Russ Limbaugh, etc. Personalities: Howard Stern, Scott Shannon, Rick Dees, Jonathon Brandemeier, Casey Kasem, Dr. Ruth. College Radio: What are they programming? Under what constraints? Formats: Pop, CHR, Urban, Jazz, Country Syndicated Programs: American Top 40, House Party, Dr. Demento, Oldies Networks: Westwood One, The Wave, Z-Rock International: What is radio like around the world? Armed Forces Radio: What are the soldiers hearing? Sporting Events: Coverage of Baseball, Basketball, Football Special Events: Minute of Silence, John Lennon Tribute. Stations: K-Rock versus WNEW KLOS WCAU's big switch Morning Shows: Zoos, Personalities, Music/News/Traffic Jokes Of The Day Overnights: Tom Synder, Sally Jesse Raphael Music: What are Pop Stations playing? Where is the Jazz station in Detroit? World Premieres: When does new single premiere? Promotions: Contests, wacky DJ stunts, guest DJs Legal: Will FCC issue a new indecency law? Technology: Will the FCC ever agree on a standard for AM Stereo? Future: How soon will digital radio arrive? While some may say that radio is a local thing, I am interested in hearing about local programming. Vanilla Ice "Ice Ice Baby" was (according to Shadoe) originally a 'B' side hit that was played repeatedly by a Southern DJ. So, postings of what is happening locally is interesting because local stations can indeed influence others. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- A Sample Comment: From: hrobinson@attmail.att.com (Helena T Robinson) Ken: As for the proposed group, I like it! I imagine that a lesser-known topic could be announcements of reunions of various types. For example, WCBS-FM, an oldies station in NYC, has held "reunion weekends" of the old NY Top 40 DJ's (now that was a time!). Also, WRSU-FM at Rutgers holds two annual alumni events - one for general staff at Rutgers College reunion ("Alumni on the Air Day"), and one for sports staff during basketball season ("Alumni Knightline"). In any event, good luck with the proposal! Helena Robinson (WRSU News '76-'77) AT&T Basking Ridge, NJ attmail!hrobinson From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Tue Apr 9 10:30:23 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Tue, 09 Apr 91 20:54:08 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa14868; Tue, 9 Apr 91 10:30:22 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA14660; Tue, 9 Apr 91 03:54:41 -0400 Message-Id: <9104090754.AA14660@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 1136; Tue, 09 Apr 91 03:53:46 EDT Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 5597; Tue, 09 Apr 91 03:52:49 EDT Date: Tue, 9 Apr 91 01:53:08 GMT Reply-To: Lee Reynolds Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: Lee Reynolds Subject: WEFAX APT Frequencies needed! To: Lee Reynolds Hi. I'm looking for the APT frequencies for the following satellites: Meteor 2-16 Meteor 2-17 Meteor 2-18 Meteor 2-19 Meteor 2-20 Meteor 3-2 Meteor 3-3 Fen Yung 2-3 Any of the Cosmos series Anyone have them? I'm planning on using the R-7000 and the M-1000 decoder to see what I can get. I already have the NOAA 9-11 stuff, but I'd like to explore any other of the 137MHz WEFAX birds. Thanks in advance for any info, if possible please email me direct. Lee G8LCK From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Tue Apr 9 10:30:27 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Tue, 09 Apr 91 20:54:09 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa14890; Tue, 9 Apr 91 10:30:26 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA15560; Tue, 9 Apr 91 04:05:43 -0400 Message-Id: <9104090805.AA15560@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 1154; Tue, 09 Apr 91 04:04:52 EDT Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 5647; Tue, 09 Apr 91 04:04:20 EDT Date: Tue, 9 Apr 91 04:36:09 GMT Reply-To: System Administrator Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: System Administrator Subject: Looking To: Lee Reynolds As a new user of this net, I would like to ask if there is a group of Antique radio users? I currently have a few different radios, and would be interested in talking to some other antique radion users/restorers. Any suggestions would be appreciated. ---- ProLine: jackg@pro-ldm Internet: jackg@pro-ldm.cts.com UUCP: crash!pro-ldm!jackg ARPA: crash!pro-ldm!jackg@nosc.mil From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Tue Apr 9 10:30:28 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Tue, 09 Apr 91 20:54:10 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa14898; Tue, 9 Apr 91 10:30:27 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA18825; Tue, 9 Apr 91 04:44:31 -0400 Message-Id: <9104090844.AA18825@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 1179; Tue, 09 Apr 91 04:43:40 EDT Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 5737; Tue, 09 Apr 91 04:43:04 EDT Date: Tue, 9 Apr 91 10:17:57 +0200 Reply-To: travett%PRCS3.DECNET.PHILIPS.BE@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Sender: Short Wave Listener's List From: travett%PRCS3.DECNET.PHILIPS.BE@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Subject: Re: rec.radio.* organisation X-To: swl-l@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Lee Reynolds To put in my pennyworth ( or 2 cent worth depending on where you come from ) I feel that splits like those proposed would - a) Not fit in with the definition of rec.radio.shortwave as it was originally intended b) Could cause more traffic with more groups, where people may post a question to rec.radio.shortwave as well as a few others to provoke interest and responses c) From (b) the definitions for each group would have to be set out, and this I think would cause the definition for rec.radio.shortwave to be re-written. At the moment all the traffic ends up here, and that suits me fine! I can easily scan through and delete those that I am not interested in ( as long as the subject line is meaningful! ), whilst I can catch those that I am. My main interests are in catching military traffic and aircraft, but I do occasionally see a post regarding a SW broadcast station and will divert my attention to see if I can hear it. The only possible split I may support is the one proposed for rec.radio.scanning. Being over here in the UK most posts regarding scanning and frequencies are concerned with things over the pond, and therefore not very interesting to me, so if the scanning people really want it then I guess it'll happen. If it does - where do we draw the frequency line?? 30MHz, 100MHz, 123.4MHz??? The other question of course is - who is going to go through the official channels to set it up???? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Travett, |*INTERNET: travett@prcs3.decnet.philips.be Senior Software Design Engineer | DECnet -: PRCS3::TRAVETT Mobiles Lab, | SERI -: TRAVETT:PRCS3 Philips Radio Communication Systems,| Voice -: +(44) (223) 358985 x 3761 St. Andrews Road, | FAX -: +(44) (223) 315147 (or 66867) Cambridge, ENGLAND, CB4 1DP | Amateur-: G8XYS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Communication Engineers do it with frequency ... until it hertz! #include stdisc.h My computer typed this in while I wasn't looking, so any stupis spellinb mishtakes are not my reshponcibilitie!! From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Tue Apr 9 17:50:30 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Tue, 09 Apr 91 20:54:59 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa25870; Tue, 9 Apr 91 17:50:29 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA28348; Tue, 9 Apr 91 12:55:24 -0400 Message-Id: <9104091655.AA28348@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 1602; Tue, 09 Apr 91 12:54:30 EDT Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 7354; Tue, 09 Apr 91 12:53:45 EDT Date: Tue, 9 Apr 91 15:26:11 GMT Reply-To: "Thorsten.Koch" Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: "Thorsten.Koch" Subject: English programmes list To: Lee Reynolds Dear DXers! I'm sorry to say that I'm not able to compile another English programmes list because of some other work I've got to do. I hope somebody else will be found to do this. S O R R Y! Thorsten -- ********************************************************** * T h o r s t e n K o c h * * * * E-Mail: Thorsten.Koch@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de * ********************************************************** From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Tue Apr 9 19:45:46 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Tue, 09 Apr 91 20:55:21 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa28313; Tue, 9 Apr 91 19:45:45 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA27223; Tue, 9 Apr 91 15:17:37 -0400 Message-Id: <9104091917.AA27223@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 1801; Tue, 09 Apr 91 15:15:52 EDT Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 7950; Tue, 09 Apr 91 15:12:11 EDT Date: Tue, 9 Apr 91 15:32:09 GMT Reply-To: "dr. funk" Sender: Short Wave Listener's List Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was NETNEWS@PSUVM.PSU.EDU From: "dr. funk" Subject: AF-1 To: Lee Reynolds Logging -- Monday 4/8/91 2242EDT (4/9/91 0142Z) 0142Z 6756 "98" enroute 0146 6756 "98" SAM 29000 to SAM 28000 (primary) 0159 6756 Modem link 0221 6756 AIR FORCE ONE (radio check) AF1 - CROWN 0223 6756 AF1 - ANDREWS 692 (primary) 988 (backup) 0227 6756 AF1 - SAM control (call INDIANA) 0228 6756 CROWN - AF1 0245 6756 AF1 - ANDREWS 53117 status check 26391 analog check 0248 6756 AF1 - CROWN (patch check) 0249 6756 29000 - AF1 (you up?) 0300 6756 AF1 - CROWN (patch) 0304 6817 MARINE 691 - ANDREWS Maintain 64 USB Then lights out for me. Other transmissions heard during the evening but not logged: "meet on 174 650" and 29000 requesting new frequencies ("198 loaded up" and "293" was assigned.) The early "98" transmissions were checking out the links between SAM 28000 and SAM 29000. They refered to each other as "9000," "8000," "2-8000," and "2-9000" in addition to the full "SAM 28000" and "SAM 29000." The "98" and "89" is just shorthand. Ther extra traffic on 6817 was a chance intercept. I heard two more radio checks on 6817 between ANDREWS and MARINE 691. I didn't have a chance to follow up on this (too late) although 6817 is listed as a Mystic Star frequency also. -- paul j. drongowski siemens corporate research inc pjd@demon.siemens.com princeton, new jersey 08540 (617) 734-6547 From wang!elf.wang.com!cuvma.bitnet!swl-l Wed Apr 10 00:44:06 1991 remote from tosspot Received: by tosspot (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Tue, 09 Apr 91 21:17:50 EST for lee Received: from somewhere by elf.wang.com id aa06633; Wed, 10 Apr 91 0:44:05 GMT Received: from cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu by uunet.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-primary-gateway) id AA23747; Tue, 9 Apr 91 20:07:40 -0400 Message-Id: <9104100007.AA23747@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1) with BSMTP id 2092; Tue, 09 Apr 91 20:06:43 EDT Received: by CUVMB (Mailer R2.07) id 9027; Tue, 09 Apr 91 19:55:49 EDT Date: Tue, 9 Apr 91 16:18:48 EDT Reply-To: Bill Jones Sender: Short Wave Listener's List From: Bill Jones Subject: Re: FCC rules (where to find them?) X-To: SWL-L%CUVMA.BITNET@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Lee Reynolds >I have been looking for a copy of FCC rules in an electronic form for a friend >who is a ham and just got a computer. I believe that I am looking for the >faimed PART 97 but really am not sure and I have not been able to get a hold of >the friend since his request. Any help in locating the sections that I need >would be most appriciated. Part 97 has been available on wuarchive.wustl.edu in the mirrors/msdos/hamradio directory.