Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 00:49 EET From: Schitzo Subject: [KLF-TALK:720] whitesand ... has anyone else checked out this really good kosmic release by AndrewM??? ... and that warp loader thing is TOTALLY perfect for the track!!! :) ... LOVE IT!!! ... just makes ya want to go and lite up some weed :). btw ... WHAT is it will ftp.wit.com??? ... i'm not getting any response from it right now. it's like down every other day. also what happened to the two releases that are slated between "bugs in my head" and "isotope 30"? one more quick question ... what happened to inspeckdah deck??? haven't heard anything new from him for a while. l8's dude ... ----------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 00:55 EET From: Infiniti 2001/Cia Subject: [KLF-TALK:721] Re: AWE32, windoze, midi, sample synthesizers > Has anyone seen any decent mod players (like the gus has) for the SB AWE23 > yet? I found one, but it was very buggy and quite lame. That awe 32 mod player your referring to is probably AWEMOD, which was written by Judge Dredd of Infiniti 2001. Its the first mod player for the awe32 ever released, and I'm pretty sure its the only one out there right now. Its still in its beta stages, so be patient with it. Do you have version 1 or 2? Version 2 fixed a ton of bugs, and it has a better interface. JD is working on version 3 right now, and that SHOULD support other formats (ie, s3m/mtm/etc) and more effects. The first version was coded in only 2 weeks, so there wasn't much to it really, just a few effects and support for protracker modules. Be patient, its getting better all the time.. [-.-] -=Beaner=- [-.-] [-.-] -=Union=- [-.-] [-.-] -=Infiniti-2001=- [-.-] [-.-] -=Cia-Music-Coordinator=- [-.-] [-.-] http://www.netaxs.com/~beaner [-.-] ----------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 03:55 EET From: Andy Voss (Phoenix/Kosmic) Subject: [KLF-TALK:723] Re: whitesand ... > > has anyone else checked out this really good kosmic release by > AndrewM??? ... and that warp loader thing is TOTALLY perfect for the > track!!! :) ... LOVE IT!!! ... just makes ya want to go and lite up some > weed :). Yup, me too. > > btw ... WHAT is it will ftp.wit.com??? ... i'm not getting any > response from it right now. it's like down every other day. also what > happened to the two releases that are slated between "bugs in my head" > and "isotope 30"? > They're on ftp.luth.se. And freedom is back up, for now at least. Ticks me off that it's been down so much though.. > one more quick question ... what happened to inspeckdah deck??? > haven't heard anything new from him for a while. l8's dude ... > Your guess is as good as mine. -av (phoenix/kosmic) ----------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 04:34 EET From: "Chris Campbell" Subject: [KLF-TALK:724] Suggestion for KLF I think KLF should be more Ryan Cramerish music (mellow, soft tunes), things like Basehead did for Epidemic (one of the best tunes I have _ever_ heard!) KLF members, are you listening? :) ____________________________________________________________ \ JPEG Picture: ftp://ftp.nstn.ca/in.coming/campbell.jpg / / First Tune (S3M) ftp://ftp.nstn.ca/in.coming/heavymf.zip \ ------------------------------------------------------------ | campbell@fox.nstn.ca / Exams (x'ams), n. Hell | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ----------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 04:40 EET From: Schitzo Subject: [KLF-TALK:726] Re: whitesand ... On Tue, 17 Jan 1995, Andrew McCallum wrote: > Hah. Cool. :) Thanks. :) Yeah, I'm really pleased with it. (I > take pride in the few tracks I can get done. :) AcidWarp is great. Have > you tried the listening suggestions that I put in the song? uh ... yah, but it wasn't dark enough out yet so i don't think i was getting the right effect (and this is from a 17") so i just sat myself in front of the monitor, cranked it up and just chilled ... man was that a ride! > > one more quick question ... what happened to inspeckdah deck??? > >haven't heard anything new from him for a while. l8's dude ... > > Yeah, I was kinda wondering, too. I hope we can get some house > music out of him soon. :) actually ... was looking more for the funk ... love that shit! ... but house-funk would be great also. :) hey has anyone else ever attempted anything even close to his 26 channels mtm "klf zymba" ... and done so as succesfully as he did? it's a shame to waste all those 32 channels, especially since i got a GUS that can handle it. ----------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 04:47 EET From: Schitzo Subject: [KLF-TALK:729] Re: whitesand ... On Tue, 17 Jan 1995, Chris Campbell wrote: > On Wed, 18 Jan 95 00:49 EET, > Schitzo wrote: > > > has anyone else checked out this really good kosmic release by > >AndrewM??? ... and that warp loader thing is TOTALLY perfect for the > >track!!! :) ... LOVE IT!!! ... just makes ya want to go and lite up some > >weed :). > > This wasn't released through KLF-LIST... I'll have to get it from an FTP > site :) i gave up on that a long time cuz it's more pain in the butt then it's worth. found it easier to just ftp the darn things then to sort through mail and decode them. plus they didn't come in the right order. ----------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 04:34 EET From: "Chris Campbell" Subject: [KLF-TALK:725] Re: whitesand ... On Wed, 18 Jan 95 00:49 EET, Schitzo wrote: > has anyone else checked out this really good kosmic release by >AndrewM??? ... and that warp loader thing is TOTALLY perfect for the >track!!! :) ... LOVE IT!!! ... just makes ya want to go and lite up some >weed :). This wasn't released through KLF-LIST... I'll have to get it from an FTP site :) ____________________________________________________________ \ JPEG Picture: ftp://ftp.nstn.ca/in.coming/campbell.jpg / / First Tune (S3M) ftp://ftp.nstn.ca/in.coming/heavymf.zip \ ------------------------------------------------------------ | campbell@fox.nstn.ca / Exams (x'ams), n. Hell | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ----------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 04:47 EET From: Schitzo Subject: [KLF-TALK:728] Re: Suggestion for KLF On Tue, 17 Jan 1995, Chris Campbell wrote: > I think KLF should be more Ryan Cramerish music (mellow, soft tunes), > things like Basehead did for Epidemic (one of the best tunes I have _ever_ > heard!) > > KLF members, are you listening? :) mellow is good, yeah i love basehead's Forever and also Poetry in Motion II. not to mention malcuem's SpaceButter. BUT NOT EVERYTHING has to be mellow ... eek! Still love shit like Desolate Aura to shake of that drowsy feeling and invigorate the soul!!! ----------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 04:41 EET From: Schitzo Subject: [KLF-TALK:727] Re: whitesand ... On Tue, 17 Jan 1995, Andy Voss wrote: > > has anyone else checked out this really good kosmic release by > > AndrewM??? ... and that warp loader thing is TOTALLY perfect for the > > track!!! :) ... LOVE IT!!! ... just makes ya want to go and lite up some > > weed :). > Yup, me too. yup as in lite up? or as in checked it out ... OR as in LUV'd IT!!! :) > They're on ftp.luth.se. And freedom is back up, for now at least. Ticks me off > that it's been down so much though.. ok thanx ... gonna go grab those two now ... so what is up with freedom anyway? > > one more quick question ... what happened to inspeckdah deck??? > > haven't heard anything new from him for a while. l8's dude ... > > > Your guess is as good as mine. l8's ----------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 05:11 EET From: vossa@rpi.edu (Andy Voss (Phoenix/Kosmic)) Subject: [KLF-TALK:731] Re: Suggestion for KLF On Jan 18, 4:34am, "Chris Campbell" wrote: > Subject: [KLF-TALK:724] Suggestion for KLF > I think KLF should be more Ryan Cramerish music (mellow, soft tunes), > things like Basehead did for Epidemic (one of the best tunes I have _ever_ > heard!) > > KLF members, are you listening? :) > Yes, we are listening, but the whole idea behind the KLF (am I speaking for Maelcum?) was to offer an _alternative_ to the demo music that dominates the music scene. KLF/Kosmic has and will release some mellow music, but keep in mind we were originally a techno/rave/house group. -av (phoenix/kosmic) ----------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 05:01 EET From: Schitzo Subject: [KLF-TALK:730] pklite ... sorta off topic but oh well ... anyway, can someone tell me where'd i'd find pklite utility so i can use it one some demos to enable me to rip some of the cool music out of them? thanx in advance ... ----------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 06:49 EET From: Dan Subject: [KLF-TALK:732] Re: sites and stuff On Wed, 18 Jan 1995, Schitzo wrote: > btw ... WHAT is it will ftp.wit.com??? ... i'm not getting any > response from it right now. it's like down every other day. also what they've been having alot of hardware trouble, i really know nothing else about it. ftp.luth.se has all the same stuff for Kosmic. > happened to the two releases that are slated between "bugs in my head" > and "isotope 30"? they should be there.. did i forget? > one more quick question ... what happened to inspeckdah deck??? > haven't heard anything new from him for a while. l8's dude ... he is no longer with the group. - Dan ----------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 06:59 EET From: Dan Subject: [KLF-TALK:733] Re: Suggestion for KLF On Wed, 18 Jan 1995, Chris Campbell wrote: > I think KLF should be more Ryan Cramerish music (mellow, soft tunes), > things like Basehead did for Epidemic (one of the best tunes I have _ever_ > heard!) > > KLF members, are you listening? :) yes, and i'm going to reply concretely. this group does not exist to propagate the myth that music made on a computer has to sound like computer music. ryan cramer has done some great songs, and epidemic may be fine and dandy, but there are way too many people out there doing demomuzak and the like. instead of judging 'computer music' against other computer music, judge *all music* as *music*. our group has become the world's largest, and probably most popular, 'PC Music' group around because when you hear something we put out, chances are it fits right in with your collection of Aphex Twin, Skinny Puppy, Harthouse, The Orb, records. I get lots of mail from people who do everything from making tapes of our S3Ms etc and blasting them in the car to mixing them in with their live DJ sets. on the other hand, i would put the chances of most of the music in epidemic being played on the radio or spun at a club at quite near nil. when i think of mellow music, i don't think of CC Catch or Purple Motion, i think of Dr. Atmo and Higher Intelligence Agency. there is a reason for this, and though i have a hard time putting it in words, that reason is why Kosmic will NEVER become just some computer music group. if people cannot open their minds to things new and different, they might as well just stick with being spoonfed Warner-Elektra-Atlantic pop. - Dan ----------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 07:04 EET From: Dan Subject: [KLF-TALK:734] Re: whitesand ... On Wed, 18 Jan 1995, Schitzo wrote: > uh ... yah, but it wasn't dark enough out yet so i don't think i was > getting the right effect (and this is from a 17") so i just sat myself in > front of the monitor, cranked it up and just chilled ... man was that a > ride! one word: CURTAINS. nothing like them for creating that 24-hour a day darkness :) > actually ... was looking more for the funk ... love that shit! ... but > house-funk would be great also. :) hey has anyone else ever attempted > anything even close to his 26 channels mtm "klf zymba" ... and done so as > succesfully as he did? it's a shame to waste all those 32 channels, > especially since i got a GUS that can handle it. The samplerate of playback on a GUS gets worse and worse as more channels are opened up beyond 14. At 14 channels or less, the samplerate is 44.1khz. By the time it gets to 32, it's something like 18khz. That's a primary reason why I, an admitted former mega-channel user, forced myself to get used to a 14-channels or less rule. Anyway, there usually isn't much reason to go more than 16 at the most (boy, if you had told me a year ago that i'd ever say that, i would have laughed at you). Unfortunately Inspekdah Deck is no longer with the group. - Dan ----------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 07:17 EET From: Schitzo Subject: [KLF-TALK:735] Re: sites and stuff On Tue, 17 Jan 1995, Dan wrote: > > On Wed, 18 Jan 1995, Schitzo wrote: > > > btw ... WHAT is it will ftp.wit.com??? ... i'm not getting any > > response from it right now. it's like down every other day. also what > > they've been having alot of hardware trouble, i really know nothing else > about it. ftp.luth.se has all the same stuff for Kosmic. oh ... i see. well how about keeping hornet up to date like it use to be. it's just that i find luth connection slow up here in Toronto. > > happened to the two releases that are slated between "bugs in my head" > > and "isotope 30"? > > they should be there.. did i forget? i think so ... well last i checked it wasn't there (think that was yesterday) > > one more quick question ... what happened to inspeckdah deck??? > > haven't heard anything new from him for a while. l8's dude ... > > he is no longer with the group. what happened to him ... did he move on to other things? hope it wasn't a falling out of any kind. does he still compose muzak?? or join another group? really would like to keep up with his stuff, which i found was top notch! btw, another quick question that i never got around to asking ... what happened to transcentral? ... it went down around the summer during the time i didn't have an internet account. ----------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 07:33 EET From: Schitzo Subject: [KLF-TALK:736] Re: whitesand ... On Wed, 18 Jan 1995, Dan wrote: > > On Wed, 18 Jan 1995, Schitzo wrote: > > > uh ... yah, but it wasn't dark enough out yet so i don't think i was > > getting the right effect (and this is from a 17") so i just sat myself in > > front of the monitor, cranked it up and just chilled ... man was that a > > ride! > > one word: CURTAINS. nothing like them for creating that 24-hour a day > darkness :) i HAD the blinds closed ... but it wasn't dark enough still ... i'll be doing it proper now, right before i go crash :) > The samplerate of playback on a GUS gets worse and worse as more channels > are opened up beyond 14. At 14 channels or less, the samplerate is > 44.1khz. By the time it gets to 32, it's something like 18khz. That's a > primary reason why I, an admitted former mega-channel user, forced myself > to get used to a 14-channels or less rule. Anyway, there usually isn't > much reason to go more than 16 at the most (boy, if you had told me a > year ago that i'd ever say that, i would have laughed at you). yeah, ok and all about the reason why ... but he did pull it off with 26 channels and it sounded AWESOME!!! plus it helped using inertia player SHOWING all the CRAZY lines a wiggling!!! :) ... but i guess i can live with less channels as long as the quality of releases stay excellent, and you my friend have done a splendid job of keeping me happy. > Unfortunately Inspekdah Deck is no longer with the group. can we get some details on why and where he went? ----------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 08:26 EET From: Schitzo Subject: [KLF-TALK:737] Re: Suggestion for KLF On Tue, 17 Jan 1995, Dan wrote: > On Wed, 18 Jan 1995, Chris Campbell wrote: > > > I think KLF should be more Ryan Cramerish music (mellow, soft tunes), > > things like Basehead did for Epidemic (one of the best tunes I have _ever_ > > heard!) > > > > KLF members, are you listening? :) > > yes, and i'm going to reply concretely. this group does not exist to > propagate the myth that music made on a computer has to sound like > computer music. ryan cramer has done some great songs, and epidemic may > be fine and dandy, but there are way too many people out there doing > demomuzak and the like. well i wouldn't go and say the epidemic was demomuzak (not all of it anyway). > instead of judging 'computer music' against other > computer music, judge *all music* as *music*. our group has become the > world's largest, and probably most popular, 'PC Music' group around no dispute here with Kosmic being largest/most popular. and i for one DO judge "computer music" in the light of MUSIC and not "computer music". > because when you hear something we put out, chances are it fits right in > with your collection of Aphex Twin, Skinny Puppy, Harthouse, The Orb, > records. I get lots of mail from people who do everything from making > tapes of our S3Ms etc and blasting them in the car to mixing them in with yep that's me! :) ... i tape the stuff and blare it! :) ... but then again i also tape some of the classical midi's off my GUS to relax too :) btw ... who are those groups that you have mentioned there? :) > their live DJ sets. on the other hand, i would put the chances of most of > the music in epidemic being played on the radio or spun at a club at > quite near nil. when i think of mellow music, i don't think of CC Catch > or Purple Motion, i think of Dr. Atmo and Higher Intelligence Agency. > there is a reason for this, and though i have a hard time putting it in > words, that reason is why Kosmic will NEVER become just some computer > music group. if people cannot open their minds to things new and > different, they might as well just stick with being spoonfed > Warner-Elektra-Atlantic pop. i get the sense that you, DAN, have some bad blood on this topic for some reason. what does having someone mentioning that he'd like to here some more mellow music from Kosmic have to do with Kosmic becoming another "computer" music group? and i'm sorta confused on what you mean by demomuzak ... sure there's a general sense of how it sounds to me, but music is never cut and dry on were boundaries begin and end. so are you saying that "computer" music in general is in reference to demomuzak? take for instance baseheads "forever" in epidemic. you seem to reference most of epidemics stuff as being computer/demo music. so is forever? also i LOVE the track shelter from the holistic demo. it's from a demo and i would LOVE it if i heard this track on the radio, and i do sincerly believe it is appropriate ... just like stuff from Kosmic. and you mention that you think that most (if not all) of epidemic stuff being played on the radio as being nil ... well that would be true ... but isn't THAT closed mindedness??? i don't know ... just seems like you're chewing this guy out and blowing this thing into a topic the guy didn't really bring up. it's your right if you find his suggestion offensive to you but heck, it was JUST a suggestion and you are talking about open mindedness. anyway ... hope ya don't don't hate me now for debating with you on this cuz i do love your stuff (well some of it ... can't honestly say i like every single release by you cuz that would be down right impossible since we are two different people with two different tastes ... if it's any consolation, a very large percentage of online modules are yours, but then again you JUST churn them out ... how the f*ck do you release so much shit!!! at the rate you do???) btw ... there's nothing wrong with pop, just like there's nothing wrong with classical, alternative, funk, disco, r&b, OR even heavy metal (although i hate it myself). everyone has their own prerogative in liking what they like and who they like (but i hate the SHITS!!! out of Ace of BASE!!! ... ya call that music and singing???) :) ----------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 10:50 EET From: "Aaron J. Grier" Subject: [KLF-TALK:738] Demomuzak and computer music in general Dan... has someone told you something to the extent of "it's good for computer music, but it doesn't sound like real music?" or something to that extent? All music is real music. Computer-tracker music is a genre just like guitar music is. You can't really directly compare guitar music to violin music, as each is different, and there's not a whole lot you can draw between them. It would be a stretch to compare the Aphex twin, let's say, to Bach. Dealing with strictly electronic music, IE music produced by electronic devices other than acoustically amplified, your sound depends on your equipment. The sound is influenced by the equipment as well. When Walter (now Wendy) Carlos made "Switched on Bach" He/She couldn't make a whole orchestra come from a moog. He/She was limited by the equipment. (Monophonic moog, analog synthesis, crappy multitrack recorder, etc...) With you and your ultrasound, you're limited as well. To me, it's stupid to try and compare you with your ultrasound to Aphex twin and his homeade synths without adding some weight to either side. You're acting like a guitar player who's trying to sound like a violin. YOU DON'T HAVE A VIOLIN, DAN! Get over it already. Sure, they're both stringed instruments, but they're played differently and have different sounds. Now if you wanna do some nice & nifty stuff like T23 and whatnot, that's cool. That I CAN be able to compare to what's out there in the world of what you call "real music," because not only do you have more control over your music, but it's in a "real music" format. If I wanna compare, say, Richard D. James to you, without having to weight either side, I would ask him to sit down in front of a PC with fasttracker II or MMedit or whatever and write some stuff. Or I would throw you into his studio, and let you go wild. If you make the arguement that "format doesn't matter" then I should be able to judge Bach against Anthrax. Or even better would be Bach against Stockhausen. Or someone like Miles Davis against Alex Paterson. (For the rest of you folks out there, if you don't know who these people are, lemme know.) I can't really, without saying to myself "first of all, Bach composed for harpsichords and violins and stuff. Stockhausen was an experimenter and creator with tape and recorded music. Classical <> Musique Concrete." Even with all this out of the way, I'll admit, there are still ways to compare. ("Bach is more harmonically driven than Stockhausen." etc...) My point was to make you aware of the natural tendencies we all have as humans to add things into our judgements. So don't get so pissed when people tell you your stuff is good for "computer music." I personally think it has improved over the last year or so, and I wish I had some more of the releases to listen to. My bitches are: 1) the music STILL sounds very dead and "in your face." Lack of post-equilization and signal processing has a LOT to do with that. I could add a nice quadraverb or something between my soundcard and stereo, and it would probably help quite a bit. But to do it right requires EQ and signal processing on the individual channels, something you can't really do with ultrasound. 2) You can't do real acid with a sampler, period, be it Emax III or Ultrasound. The 303 has a lot of quirks including slight timing discrepancies. Same with the 909. You can try, sure, and yeah, some of it sounds pretty damn good. (I still like 303p or whatever it is that you wrote.) But there's no way you can get it down all the way. So the blurpy-pumpy-acidy-squelchy stuff isn't like the real thing. 3) The dynamic range lacks as well. But of course, when you're working with 8-bit samples, it's not surprising. 4) Filter sweeps don't sound to good. But hey -- the GUS is a sampler with non-on-the-fly-manipulatable envelope and EQ programming. that's about it, really... now get back to the regularly schedule KFMF discussion. ---- The Finn / VLA Aaron J. Grier agrier@reed.edu (other addresses will be forwarded to this one.) ----------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jan 95 19:21 EET From: jester (Tobias Reckhard) Subject: [KLF-TALK:739] Re: pklite ... > > sorta off topic but oh well ... anyway, can someone tell me > where'd i'd find pklite utility so i can use it one some demos to enable > me to rip some of the cool music out of them? thanx in advance ... registered PKLITE users can protect their .EXE's from unpacking. I don't know if this only applies to unregistered versions (on the unpacking side), but I failed in a couple of attempts at unpacking some .EXE's. cya -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - jester (Tobias Reckhard) jester@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de FAQ maintainer for alt.binaries.sounds.mods Obtaining the FAQ: - finger jester@rbhp21.rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de - WWW http://grfn.org/~zaphod/absm-faq/index.html - send email to jester@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de you speak to me in riddles and you speak to me in rhymes - Sarah McLachlan - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ----------------- Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 00:10 EET From: Schitzo Subject: [KLF-TALK:745] Re: Suggestion for KLF On Wed, 18 Jan 1995, Andrew McCallum wrote: > >yep that's me! :) ... i tape the stuff and blare it! :) ... but then > >again i also tape some of the classical midi's off my GUS to relax too :) > > Yeah. Stuff without words to distract you are great to study to. > Every semester around exams I always find myself scrambling to slap together > a tape of stuff off my system. :) who's talking anything about studying ... i'm talking about some LUV making! :) ... hmmm studying with classical music, now that's a thought! .. hehehe i'm just pulling your leg! :) > >music is never cut and dry on were boundaries begin and end. so are you > >saying that "computer" music in general is in reference to demomuzak? > > I think that out of all the different genre's that are out there in > tracker format, demomuzak sounds the most computer-like, and for us, > whenever we hear the term "computer music", that's what we think of. I > mean, what isn't "computer music" (or computer assisted music) these days? > (Well, except for the obvious stuff like metal, rock, classica, etc.) sure some earlier demos had this undescribable quality to it that people would term it demomuzak/"computer music", sorta on the line that back then most of the music would use fm synth as such. but i find it to be also on the line of theatrical/orchestral style ... sorta like stuff for movies (especially sci-fi). guess that's what Dan got pissed off about ... the stereo typing of "computer" music as such having to continually sounding that way. > I still find it funy when people look supprised when I tell them > that dance music is made by computers. that's just plain ignorance ... pure and simple. and it might be funny at first but when you really think about it, it's not. ----------------- Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 00:10 EET From: Schitzo Subject: [KLF-TALK:746] Re: Suggestion for KLF On Wed, 18 Jan 1995, Andrew McCallum wrote: > >mellow ... eek! Still love shit like Desolate Aura to shake of that > >drowsy feeling and invigorate the soul!!! > > Hah. It sounds like you're selling bottled spring water from on > top of a soapbox. ;) yeah i know it sounds lame and i went overboard in trying to describe a feeling ... that's the crappy thing about expressing our feelings in words, too limiting. guess our social perspective of marketing has gotten the best of me! :) damn i gotta stay away from those cruddy infomercials!!! ----------------- Date: Thu, 19 Jan 95 00:21 EET From: "Jonathan S Pulling" Subject: [KLF-TALK:747] Re: KLF Music is Good Mood Setter for Games > It's funny you mention this. When Doom 2 came out, we were all > talking in #trax about how it would be better with some tracker techno in > Doom, and that KLF should be contracted for the next Doom (Quake?) to write > the music. :) > I was told id isn't planning on having background music in Doom3/Quake. Apparently, they are going for the enhanced realism there would be without it... -----------------