Date: Thu, 26 Jan 95 01:17 EET From: Paul Paradiso Subject: [KLF-TALK:904] Re: KFMF > KFMF is: > Kosmic > Free > Music > Foundation Yeah, I've been out of the scene a little too long also. Why the KLF name change? I just subscribed to this, 'cuz I wanna be in touch with the latest -klf- stuff. Now that I've got this nifty internet access, I can keep my board full of Dan's stuff! (I'm a KLF distro SiTe!) (The Main Frame), HiT Me. Paul ----------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jan 95 00:42 EET From: Joel Christopher Bruner Subject: [KLF-TALK:903] KFMF KFMF is: Kosmic Free Music Foundation Joel ----------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jan 95 02:50 EET From: "Steven M. Hill" Subject: [KLF-TALK:905] Re: many things > > On Mon, 23 Jan 95 05:38 EET, > Dan wrote: > > >if you have an urge to try something new in the meantime - try LINUX :) > >while that recommendation might come as a suprise to everyone after my > >'diatribes' against it, i DO find it lots of fun, and great for a > >personal internet box. > > Better than Windows? With Windows I can have WWW, Talk, FTP, and IRC all > going at the same time on a dialup slip connection. Much better than Windows (&Win95), Linux is a true 32-bit multientrant mutli-tasking system. You only seem to be running those Win apps at the same time, they each take a chunk of cpu time when Windoze lets em. Mod4Win would be a better bet under this regime. A few posts ago someone said M4W will happily run in the background whilst you get on with other stuff. This is just plain nonsense. Try running Word, opening a file and getting on with something whilst M4W rather ungracefully chugs out of steam. What a noise. It's the OS of course. How about an X-Windows/Linux port, Jensi? Or are you already working on a Win32s version? I like to listen to stuff in the background, but I really like the idea of interactive listening, Egg2 was good but how much better would it be if you could really mess about with the graphics. Also if you have 12 songs or so in a certain format, how about being able to "remix" them yourself, in a style like the TR-i interactive CDRom? I think that would be cool. Steve. ----------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jan 95 04:18 EET From: kimba@oxygen.it.com.au (kim davies) Subject: [KLF-TALK:906] Re: Little tiny help... Gudday demegi50@crazy.fe.up.pt, > > Can anyone explaine me what's up with oliver.sun.ac.za. I subscribe 4 lists in > this server, i read my mail almost every days, but sometimes, this server send > me 150-200 mesages. Are people talking _a_lot_ or is something with the server the amount of posts a person makes isn't exactly the server's fault. > (i think is impossible to read 100-150 mesages a day, don't you?). depends on how much time you have > Btw, what is the best program to read e-mail for DOS? And, of course, WCIDLI? there is a port of elm for dos.. you will need uucp connectivity to your internet provider, however.. > (which stands for Where Can I DownLoad It). In my acount in university, i use > DXMAIL 2.0 for UNIX. Since i have DOS at home, it would be nice to take all > these mail home and read it there in the confort of my bedroom and while listing try 'cp $MAIL ~/my_mail', then your mail in in your home directory called my_mail, and you can download it and read it with your favourite dos editor. > to some KOSMIC music(btw IPLAY has a damn good shell. It does everything.) > Btw2 What's the diffrence between KFMF, KOSMIC and KLF(Hey! KLf stands for > what?). I personally luv the name KOSMIC ifall three are the same guys. KFMF or Kosmic for short is KLF's new name as of this year. > Btw4 Returnig to Quake thing. I heard that, in graphics, QUAKE will be to DOOM > as DOOM was to WOLFENSTEIN... that is just id software-created hype that started about a week after doom was released. > Btw5 I've got a PAS16. Does anybody of you guys know where can i get source code > for programing it? It would be really COOL!!. Thanx in advance. check out the common demoey programming sites like hornet and x2ftp.. later, -- ,,:::[ kim davies ]:::.. ::::::[ kimba@it.com.au, kim@omen.com.au, 3:690/660.273@fidonet ]:::::: ::::::[ statix [oxygen/kosmic] ]:::::: '':::[ 31y50'16"S 115y46'19"E ]:::`` ----------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jan 95 04:56 EET From: "Aaron J. Grier" Subject: [KLF-TALK:907] Re: KFMF On Thu, 26 Jan 1995, Paul Paradiso wrote: > Yeah, I've been out of the scene a little too long also. Why the KLF > name change? I know there's some rumors out there about the REAL KLF getting back together, and I figured Dan doesn't want any problems. (If I'm way off base, go ahead and smack me.) ---- The Finn / VLA Aaron J. Grier agrier@reed.edu (other addresses will be forwarded to this one.) ----------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jan 95 05:58 EET From: Dan Subject: [KLF-TALK:908] Re: Mod4Win Expiry On Wed, 25 Jan 1995, Chris Campbell wrote: > No, it happens with all modules, and it did come out of both speakers when > I set my stereo to mono. DOS planeys, and my windows MIDI and WAV player, > worked fine. Sounds like your Windows .WAV device driver is somehow getting one channel turned off when you use Mod4Win. What soundcard is it and what version of the Wav driver? - Dan ----------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jan 95 06:08 EET From: Dan Subject: [KLF-TALK:909] Re: damn computers On Thu, 26 Jan 1995, Steven M. Hill wrote: > Dan, > > Shouldn't that be a line in the config.sys file : > SHELL=C:\COMMAND.COM /P /E:512 /F > > /P means process autoexec.bat > /E determines the environment size (for SET SB= etc) > /F gets rid of DOS's multiple Abort, retry, Fail mess yes, adding a shell statement helped things a bit... > Anyways, if you're getting an invalid command.com, not having the above > could conceivably be the cause. OTH, the GPFs in windows are not caused by > this. To get the the root of the problem I would need to see config.sys, > autoexec.bat, win.ini and system.ini, plus a description of the main > problems. But hopefully it's all gone away now... oh, it sure has. i'm now 99% certain that either the motherboard or (more likely) the CPU is screwed up, as i can swap it with another mb/cpu and it works just dandy with all the same components. and since one of the nice 'features' of this setup was that it locked my pc on exiting windows, then i rebooted to find it had destroyed EVERYTHING inthe windows dir and all subdirs below that (50-60mb of stuff! you can bet i'm not going to be very pleased unless these guys volunteerto replace it with a working DX-100 or p60 or something :) I waited three weeks for an order which i had paid 2-day shipping on, only to get non-working crap. no thanks! back to the 386DX-40 for now :) - Dan (who better have a really damn good motherboard/cpu soon!) ----------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jan 95 06:08 EET From: Dan Subject: [KLF-TALK:910] Re: KFMF On Thu, 26 Jan 1995, Aaron J. Grier wrote: > On Thu, 26 Jan 1995, Paul Paradiso wrote: > > > Yeah, I've been out of the scene a little too long also. Why the KLF > > name change? > > I know there's some rumors out there about the REAL KLF getting back > together, and I figured Dan doesn't want any problems. (If I'm way off > base, go ahead and smack me.) smack. smack, smack, smack-smack. ----------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jan 95 06:46 EET From: "Aaron J. Grier" Subject: [KLF-TALK:911] Re: KFMF On Thu, 26 Jan 1995, Dan wrote: > On Thu, 26 Jan 1995, Aaron J. Grier wrote: > > I know there's some rumors out there about the REAL KLF getting back > > together, and I figured Dan doesn't want any problems. (If I'm way off > > base, go ahead and smack me.) > > smack. > > smack, smack, smack-smack. Okay... then why the switch to KFMF? ---- The Finn / VLA Aaron J. Grier agrier@reed.edu (other addresses will be forwarded to this one.) ----------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jan 95 07:54 EET From: "Jens Puchert" Subject: [KLF-TALK:914] Re: many things In message you write: >> >> On Mon, 23 Jan 95 05:38 EET, >> Dan wrote: >> >> >if you have an urge to try something new in the meantime - try LINUX :) >> >while that recommendation might come as a suprise to everyone after my >> >'diatribes' against it, i DO find it lots of fun, and great for a >> >personal internet box. >> >> Better than Windows? With Windows I can have WWW, Talk, FTP, and IRC all >> going at the same time on a dialup slip connection. > > >Much better than Windows (&Win95), Linux is a true 32-bit multientrant >mutli-tasking system. But so is Win NT and Win 95. >You only seem to be running those Win apps at the same >time, they each take a chunk of cpu time when Windoze lets em. That's the whole point of multitasking. If you have only one CPU in the system, of course you can't run two processes concurrently. It's the OS that distributes CPU resources and if it switches the tasks fast enough it makes you think they all run at the same time. Linux is no different from that (unless you have multiple CPU's, but I don't even know if Linux supports that). >Mod4Win would >be a better bet under this regime. A few posts ago someone said M4W will >happily run in the background whilst you get on with other stuff. This is >just plain nonsense. Try running Word, opening a file and getting on with >something whilst M4W rather ungracefully chugs out of steam. What a noise. It's not plain nonsense. It depends on the timer mode you use. The help file explains all of that. In regular Windows timer mode Mod4Win is non- preemptively multitasked, that means the other application has to free the CPU, if it doens't do that Mod4Win will eventually stop. However, in task and interrupt mode Mod4Win will be multitasked preemptively and gets control of the CPU when it needs to, no matter what. So please check the facts before making such statements. >It's the OS of course. How about an X-Windows/Linux port, Jensi? Or are you >already working on a Win32s version? Hmmm, a Linux port is not very likely at the moment. Win32s, we'll see. >I like to listen to stuff in the >background, but I really like the idea of interactive listening, Egg2 was >good but how much better would it be if you could really mess about with the >graphics. Also if you have 12 songs or so in a certain format, how about >being able to "remix" them yourself, in a style like the TR-i interactive >CDRom? I think that would be cool. > > >Steve. Jensi ----------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jan 95 10:15 EET From: "Steven M. Hill" Subject: [KLF-TALK:915] Re: stop this linux talk please > > Hello there. I am getting rather tired of reading messages which have > nothing to do with klf music and klf issues. I recently read a message > from someone asking about os/2 warp. > What has Warp got to do with klf? Please stop all this rubbish and use > the list in the purpose that it was created for please? > Bye for now. > One of the great things about the KLF/KOSMIC list is that it encompasses many concerns. This is, for me (and obviously not you), what makes this list. The point being ; the technology involved in KLF/KOSMIC's music (mod tech. etc.) is a valid concern for any fan. Over the past few months people have been bombarded by such questions as what the best OS is, what the best mod player/tracker is, how can I get to play KLF on the latest whiz-bang OS etc. It's a Valid concern, folks. So expect people to bring it up. I realize, of course, that if person X uses OS/2, it's not going to be terribly interesting to person Y who uses DOS. If you feel short-changed then initiate a discussiob along lines that suit you. Its *YOUR* responsibility. The Internet, this list, KLF/Kosmic, aren't your personal commodity. Use the list, as you would have others use it. Post. Personally I find the fans' discussion of software, etc, highly interesting. It gives me an idea of the makeup. There's nothing worse, IMHO, than someone carping on about why something doesn't suit them. Life, my friend, is what *You* make it. Of all the list I subscribe to, the KLF/Kosmic list is one of the most refreshing. Of course, there are limits. Jensi and Chris Campbell should be continuing their debate about M4W via e-mail; it's a presonal matter and of no relevance to others. (Are you listening, Jensi & Chris?). Apart from that, as bait to to the fish, what exactly do you wish people to talk about? Steve. ----------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jan 95 07:34 EET From: "Jens Puchert" Subject: [KLF-TALK:912] Re: Mod4Win Expiry In message <41975.campbell@fox.nstn.ca> you write: >On Tue, 24 Jan 95 10:07 EET, >Jens Puchert wrote: > >>There is one song by HMW that has all channels panned to one side, that's >>the only case I've every heard about the "one speaker problem". Which >>music did you play? Did the music come out of both speakers in mono mode? > >No, it happens with all modules, and it did come out of both speakers when >I set my stereo to mono. What happens if you set Mod4Win to mono and your stereo to stereo? >DOS planeys, and my windows MIDI and WAV player, worked fine. Weird! I can assure you it does work in stereo ;-) >-- >Chris Campbell - Port Hawkesbury, Nova Scotia >campbell@fox.nstn.ca / Exams (x'ams), n. Hell Jensi ----------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jan 95 07:35 EET From: "Jens Puchert" Subject: [KLF-TALK:913] Re: Mod4Win Expiry In message <41979.campbell@fox.nstn.ca> you write: >On Tue, 24 Jan 95 10:08 EET, >Jens Puchert wrote: > >>New version? Not within the next couple of days ;-) Have you tried the >>clock thing to get it going for further evaluation? > >I put my clock back to 1992 and it still didn't work. No no, the date of the original installation, not any time before that. >-- >Chris Campbell - Port Hawkesbury, Nova Scotia >campbell@fox.nstn.ca / Exams (x'ams), n. Hell Jensi ----------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jan 95 22:40 EET From: Josh Rodman Subject: [KLF-TALK:791] Re: Demomuzak and computer music in general > > On Thu, 19 Jan 1995, Josh Rodman wrote: > > > Wallpaper can look nice, but it isn't art. > > Says who? Come see my wallpaper. :) It's _not_ art. > > heritage is junk, so people like the KLF deserve a lot of a credit for > > creating music that is on a par with similar conventionally produced music, > > Then why add value statements like "its heritage is junk?" KLF deserves > a lot of credit for creating music, period. Yup, but the heritage of mod music is still junk, and you can hear it in most of the demoscene music. Someone will try to put together a jazz piece, but you can tell it's really a jazz/demomuzak piece. All that cheeze whiz is still floating around in the song, but when you listen to KFMF, if you hear cheeze, you know it was a calculated ingredient! :) ----------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jan 95 00:51 EET From: "Steven M. Hill" Subject: [KLF-TALK:916] Re: many things > > That's the whole point of multitasking. If you have only one CPU in the > system, of course you can't run two processes concurrently. It's the OS > that distributes CPU resources and if it switches the tasks fast enough > it makes you think they all run at the same time. Linux is no different > from that (unless you have multiple CPU's, but I don't even know if Linux > supports that). > Well, NT and Linux use pipelining (I'm not a %100 on this but I can format a floppy and play a mod and do wordprocessing under X at the same time, no trouble at all.) As far as I know, Win96 isn't a complete 32-bit operating system, it still has the 16 bit underlying Dos kernel. I could be wrong, so report me to Headmaster. > > It's not plain nonsense. It depends on the timer mode you use. The help > file explains all of that. In regular Windows timer mode Mod4Win is non- > preemptively multitasked, that means the other application has to free the > CPU, if it doens't do that Mod4Win will eventually stop. However, in task > and interrupt mode Mod4Win will be multitasked preemptively and gets > control of the CPU when it needs to, no matter what. So please check the > facts before making such statements. > None of the timer modes worked for me, I should say "succesfully" The preemptive multitasking is a bit of a misnomer, MS Word and M4W eat cpu and whatever timer mode you run, MS Word always seems to make M4W stutter itself into oblivion. I've seen it demonstrated. I'm not criticising M4W, BTW, it is the best Windows player aand a damn fine piece of programming. > >It's the OS of course. How about an X-Windows/Linux port, Jensi? Or are you > >already working on a Win32s version? > Hmmm, a Linux port is not very likely at the moment. Win32s, we'll see. > That would be worth buying. Steve ('sho' nuff 'n' yes I do) ----------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jan 95 01:15 EET From: Dan Nicholson Subject: [KLF-TALK:917] Re: Demomuzak and computer music in general On Thu, 26 Jan 1995, Josh Rodman wrote: > Yup, but the heritage of mod music is still junk, and you can hear it in > most of the demoscene music. Someone will try to put together a jazz piece, > but you can tell it's really a jazz/demomuzak piece. All that cheeze whiz > is still floating around in the song, but when you listen to KFMF, if you > hear cheeze, you know it was a calculated ingredient! :) FINALLY someone who gets it! - Dan ----------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jan 95 02:13 EET From: Dan Subject: [KLF-TALK:918] Re: many things On Fri, 27 Jan 1995, Steven M. Hill wrote: > Well, NT and Linux use pipelining (I'm not a %100 on this but I can format a > floppy and play a mod and do wordprocessing under X at the same time, no > trouble at all.) As far as I know, Win96 isn't a complete 32-bit operating > system, it still has the 16 bit underlying Dos kernel. I could be wrong, so > report me to Headmaster. This seems unlikely since in Windows for Workgroups 3.11 only the kernel and something else which escapes my mind are still 16-bit. Furthermore, Windows 95 is most likely a true 32-bit system since 32-bit applications like NCSA Mosaic v2.09a and WSFTP-32 run under it in 32 bit mode (not kludged as they do with 16-bit windows and Win32S) just the same as under NT 3.5 - Dan ----------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jan 95 07:32 EET From: "Chris Campbell" Subject: [KLF-TALK:923] Re: Mod4Win Expiry On Thu, 26 Jan 95 07:34 EET, Jens Puchert wrote: >What happens if you set Mod4Win to mono and your stereo to stereo? Same problem, sound only comes out of 1 speaker. >Weird! I can assure you it does work in stereo ;-) I just can't get it working in stereo -- Chris Campbell - Port Hawkesbury, Nova Scotia campbell@fox.nstn.ca / Exams ARE OVER! ----------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jan 95 07:32 EET From: "Chris Campbell" Subject: [KLF-TALK:922] INERTIA PLAYER v1.21 IS OUT! I heard it's out, just don't know where to get it. -- Chris Campbell - Port Hawkesbury, Nova Scotia campbell@fox.nstn.ca / Exams ARE OVER! ----------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jan 95 07:25 EET From: "Chris Campbell" Subject: [KLF-TALK:920] Re: Mod4Win Expiry On Thu, 26 Jan 95 05:58 EET, Dan wrote: >Sounds like your Windows .WAV device driver is somehow getting one >channel turned off when you use Mod4Win. What soundcard is it and what >version of the Wav driver? I'm using a GUS and the v3.57 Windows driver. -- Chris Campbell - Port Hawkesbury, Nova Scotia campbell@fox.nstn.ca / Exams ARE OVER! ----------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jan 95 07:25 EET From: "Chris Campbell" Subject: [KLF-TALK:919] Re: many things On Thu, 26 Jan 95 02:50 EET, Steven M. Hill wrote: >> Better than Windows? With Windows I can have WWW, Talk, FTP, and IRC all >> going at the same time on a dialup slip connection. >Much better than Windows (&Win95), Linux is a true 32-bit multientrant >mutli-tasking system. You only seem to be running those Win apps at the same >time, they each take a chunk of cpu time when Windoze lets em. Mod4Win would My Internet provider only supports OS/2, Windows, DOS, and Macintosh platforms. I wouldn't want to go through the terrors of trying to get SLIP working in Linux. -- Chris Campbell - Port Hawkesbury, Nova Scotia campbell@fox.nstn.ca / Exams ARE OVER! ----------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jan 95 07:31 EET From: "Chris Campbell" Subject: [KLF-TALK:921] Re: damn computers On Thu, 26 Jan 95 06:08 EET, Dan wrote: >> /P means process autoexec.bat >> /E determines the environment size (for SET SB= etc) >> /F gets rid of DOS's multiple Abort, retry, Fail mess >yes, adding a shell statement helped things a bit... The /E statement helped things a lot for me! Now I can run Jaleo without deleting my path statement. -- Chris Campbell - Port Hawkesbury, Nova Scotia campbell@fox.nstn.ca / Exams ARE OVER! ----------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jan 95 07:59 EET From: "Chris Campbell" Subject: [KLF-TALK:924] Re: Mod4Win Expiry On Thu, 26 Jan 95 07:35 EET, Jens Puchert wrote: >No no, the date of the original installation, not any time before that. I forget when I installed it :) -- Chris Campbell - Port Hawkesbury, Nova Scotia campbell@fox.nstn.ca / Exams ARE OVER! ----------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jan 95 09:02 EET From: "Jens Puchert" Subject: [KLF-TALK:925] Re: Mod4Win Expiry In message <21404.campbell@fox.nstn.ca> you write: >On Thu, 26 Jan 95 07:34 EET, >Jens Puchert wrote: > >>What happens if you set Mod4Win to mono and your stereo to stereo? > >Same problem, sound only comes out of 1 speaker. Ok, then it's most definitely your sound card or driver. In mono mode, Mod4Win produces only one output stream and tells the driver that it's mono. If you still hear one channel only, either your card is f&@%#d, or the driver doesn't work right. Have you tried playing a wave file from Windows' Media Player? Mod4Win uses the exact same wave device driver that Media Player uses. >>Weird! I can assure you it does work in stereo ;-) > >I just can't get it working in stereo Bummer. >-- >Chris Campbell - Port Hawkesbury, Nova Scotia >campbell@fox.nstn.ca / Exams ARE OVER! Jensi ----------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jan 95 12:51 EET From: kimba@it.com.au (Kim Davies) Subject: [KLF-TALK:929] Re: many things Hello Chris Campbell, | | My Internet provider only supports OS/2, Windows, DOS, and Macintosh | platforms. I wouldn't want to go through the terrors of trying to get SLIP | working in Linux. SLIP is hardly platform dependant - your internet provider cant stop it if you are using Linux... Plus the fact SLIP is simple compared to other things involved in the Linux installation.. listening to ween and enjoying it, -- ,,:::[ kim davies ]:::.. ::::::[ kimba@it.com.au, kim@omen.com.au, 3:690/660.273@fidonet ]:::::: '':::[ statix [oxygen/kosmic] ]:::`` ----------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jan 95 10:24 EET From: Dan Subject: [KLF-TALK:926] and the filename... the filename of that new release is K-UDREAM.ZIP ugh, gotta go to sleep! ----------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jan 95 11:54 EET From: kimba@it.com.au (Kim Davies) Subject: [KLF-TALK:928] Re: INERTIA PLAYER v1.21 IS OUT! Hello Chris Campbell, | | I heard it's out, just don't know where to get it. nope, it aint :) cya, -- ,,:::[ kim davies ]:::.. ::::::[ kimba@it.com.au, kim@omen.com.au, 3:690/660.273@fidonet ]:::::: '':::[ statix [oxygen/kosmic] ]:::`` ----------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jan 95 10:26 EET From: Dan Subject: [KLF-TALK:927] stuff.. new release people.. on wit and luth now, i WILL (really!) post it tomorrow to klf-list... The Kosmic Free Music Foundation presents "Unfaithful Dream" an ambient dub song composed by Messiah (B00MER) of Kosmic in 9-track ScreamTracker 3 (S3M) format 3 minutes and 12 seconds long, 128 bpm released January 27th, 1995 this is a really groovy track IMHO. one other thing: does anyone know anything about a new direct port of IRC-2 to Windows/winsock that supposedly comes with the source code and might even be able to load irc scripts? i would kill for this!! :) - Dan ----------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jan 95 16:09 EET From: banshee@rbdc.rbdc.com Subject: [KLF-TALK:930] Re: INERTIA PLAYER v1.21 IS OUT! >| I heard it's out, just don't know where to get it. > >nope, it aint :) Well it's on archive.epas.utoronto.ca in /pub/pc/ultrasound/submit as filename IPLAY121.ZIP I believe. Says it's the special Assembly '94 CD version...it's legit because I just checked it out a few hours ago. ------------------------------------- Scott A. Jones E-mail: banshee@rbdc.rbdc.com Date: 01/27/95 Time: 09:05:56 ------------------------------------- ----------------- Date: Fri, 27 Jan 95 20:40 EET From: "Zach B." Subject: [KLF-TALK:931] Re: many things > > My Internet provider only supports OS/2, Windows, DOS, and Macintosh > platforms. I wouldn't want to go through the terrors of trying to get SLIP > working in Linux. > Well the 'Internet' is nativly unix. Linux would support it much better than the other operating systems that have to come up w/ hacks that work with the slip/ppp stuff. Sure it may be a little more complex to get going, but MUCH easier once its set up.. > -- > Chris Campbell - Port Hawkesbury, Nova Scotia > campbell@fox.nstn.ca / Exams ARE OVER! > -Zab [DA] (woo-hoo, no more exams either :)) ----------------- Date: Sat, 28 Jan 95 10:10 EET From: "Jens Puchert" Subject: [KLF-TALK:932] Re: many things In message <199501271828.KAA25839@desiree.teleport.com> you write: >> >> My Internet provider only supports OS/2, Windows, DOS, and Macintosh >> platforms. I wouldn't want to go through the terrors of trying to get SLIP >> working in Linux. >> > >Well the 'Internet' is nativly unix. The internet is natively platform independent! >Linux would support it much better >than the other operating systems that have to come up w/ hacks that work >with the slip/ppp stuff. Sure it may be a little more complex to get going, >but MUCH easier once its set up.. > >> -- >> Chris Campbell - Port Hawkesbury, Nova Scotia >> campbell@fox.nstn.ca / Exams ARE OVER! >> > > -Zab [DA] (woo-hoo, no more exams either :)) Jensi ----------------- Date: Sat, 28 Jan 95 10:57 EET From: andrewm@io.org (Andrew McCallum) Subject: [KLF-TALK:933] Re: many things >In message <199501271828.KAA25839@desiree.teleport.com> you write: > >>> >>> My Internet provider only supports OS/2, Windows, DOS, and Macintosh >>> platforms. I wouldn't want to go through the terrors of trying to get SLIP >>> working in Linux. >>> >> >>Well the 'Internet' is nativly unix. > >The internet is natively platform independent! Though I'm no Internet expert, but from what I understand, the Internet was written and based around "muti-user, multi-tasking enviroments", like Unix, with networking in mind for those types of enviroments. I don't think Unix (as we know it) was around when the "net" was being developed, but QUITE a few of the utilities, I think, were first written on Unix boxes. --- .oOo............. Andrew McCallum = Mental Floss [KFMF] ...........oOo. .oO http://www.io.org/~andrewm/ Fon: 905.884.3739 Fax: 905.508.1527 Oo. oO andrewm@io.org Music: ftp://freedom.wit.com/klf/songs/artists/andrewm Oo. ----------------- Date: Sat, 28 Jan 95 12:35 EET From: "Aaron J. Grier" Subject: [KLF-TALK:934] Re: many things On Sat, 28 Jan 1995, Jens Puchert wrote: > The internet is natively platform independent! Kind of... it just so happens that TCP/IP was developed under unix, and so therefore has become an almost integral part of the OS. However, there's no reason why this can't happen to any other OS. (Things like Warp and supposedly Win95 with their bundled TCP/IP stuff is a start.) ---- The Finn / VLA Aaron J. Grier agrier@reed.edu (other addresses will be forwarded to this one.) ----------------- Date: Sat, 28 Jan 95 22:52 EET From: "Chris Campbell" Subject: [KLF-TALK:936] Re: Mod4Win Expiry On Fri, 27 Jan 95 09:02 EET, Jens Puchert wrote: >>>What happens if you set Mod4Win to mono and your stereo to stereo? >>Same problem, sound only comes out of 1 speaker. >Ok, then it's most definitely your sound card or driver. In mono mode, >Mod4Win produces only one output stream and tells the driver that it's >mono. If you still hear one channel only, either your card is f&@%#d, >or the driver doesn't work right. Have you tried playing a wave file >from Windows' Media Player? Mod4Win uses the exact same wave device >driver that Media Player uses. Guess what? I fixed the problem. I loaded up goldwave while MOD4WIN was playing and saw the panning was set to RIGHT so I swung it over to center and voila! -- Chris Campbell - Port Hawkesbury, Nova Scotia ftp://ftp.nstn.ca/in.coming/campbell/ "640K ought to be enough for anybody." - Bill Gates, 1981 ----------------- Date: Sat, 28 Jan 95 22:58 EET From: "Chris Campbell" Subject: [KLF-TALK:937] Re: INERTIA PLAYER v1.21 IS OUT! On Fri, 27 Jan 95 11:54 EET, Kim Davies wrote: >| I heard it's out, just don't know where to get it. >nope, it aint :) That shows how much you know :) Someone told me to look on epas and there it is... No real changes... that's lame after a 7 month wait for a new version. -- Chris Campbell - Port Hawkesbury, Nova Scotia ftp://ftp.nstn.ca/in.coming/campbell/ "640K ought to be enough for anybody." - Bill Gates, 1981 ----------------- Date: Sat, 28 Jan 95 22:51 EET From: "Chris Campbell" Subject: [KLF-TALK:935] Re: many things On Fri, 27 Jan 95 00:51 EET, Steven M. Hill wrote: >None of the timer modes worked for me, I should say "succesfully" The >preemptive multitasking is a bit of a misnomer, MS Word and M4W eat cpu and >whatever timer mode you run, MS Word always seems to make M4W stutter itself >into oblivion. I've seen it demonstrated. I'm not criticising M4W, BTW, it >is the best Windows player aand a damn fine piece of programming. I couldn't belive that M4W stuttered played a 4 channel MOD at 11khz, 8bit, mono when I went to DOS to answer mail! I mean in DOS if I shell from IPLAY I get no slowdown, no stutter. But with M4W it just freaks out. -- Chris Campbell - Port Hawkesbury, Nova Scotia ftp://ftp.nstn.ca/in.coming/campbell/ "640K ought to be enough for anybody." - Bill Gates, 1981 ----------------- Date: Sat, 28 Jan 95 22:58 EET From: "Chris Campbell" Subject: [KLF-TALK:938] Re: INERTIA PLAYER v1.21 IS OUT! On Fri, 27 Jan 95 16:09 EET, banshee@rbdc.rbdc.com wrote: >Well it's on archive.epas.utoronto.ca in /pub/pc/ultrasound/submit as >filename IPLAY121.ZIP I believe. Says it's the special Assembly '94 CD >version...it's legit because I just checked it out a few hours ago. I got it and I'm really dissipointed... a 7 month wait for this? There are barely any new features at all. -- Chris Campbell - Port Hawkesbury, Nova Scotia ftp://ftp.nstn.ca/in.coming/campbell/ "640K ought to be enough for anybody." - Bill Gates, 1981 ----------------- Date: Sat, 28 Jan 95 23:31 EET From: dan@vlad.bowker.com (Daniel Nicholson) Subject: [KLF-TALK:939] Re: many things "Aaron J. Grier" writes: > On Sat, 28 Jan 1995, Jens Puchert wrote: > > > The internet is natively platform independent! > > Kind of... it just so happens that TCP/IP was developed under unix, and > so therefore has become an almost integral part of the OS. However, > there's no reason why this can't happen to any other OS. (Things like > Warp and supposedly Win95 with their bundled TCP/IP stuff is a start.) What Jens is saying is really true - the net is truely an open system. The majority of the big host systems are running on unix boxes, but certainly not all of them. And i think the original argument was that tcp/ip under linux/& other unix o/ses is somehow 'superior' to tcp/ip on platforms like Windows and the Mac. that's really complete and utter crap, since tcp/ip is tcp/ip regardless of platform, and if anything from a design and functionality point of view the tools available on graphical o/ses like OS/2, System 7 and Windows are usually much better. The winsock archie client i use blows the standard unix archie out of the water. my real point being that no one o/s is really 'better' than the others for net use. different platforms have their strengths in different places - crappy IRC-2 for unix is still the best IRC client i've seen on any o/s (something which really baffles me, because you could do really killer things with multimedia and IRC). winsock ftp is my favorite ftp client. the thing that really matters is that what you use does the job for you. - Dan ---------------------------------------------------- Dan Nicholson, Director of Development for Levisionet Audio Group specializing in audio for entertainment applications --------------------------------------------------------- aka Maelcum of KLF * dan@bowker.com, moddan@vlad.bowker.com ----------------- Date: Sat, 28 Jan 95 23:55 EET From: Dan Subject: [KLF-TALK:940] Re: many things On Sat, 28 Jan 1995, Chris Campbell wrote: > I couldn't belive that M4W stuttered played a 4 channel MOD at 11khz, 8bit, > mono when I went to DOS to answer mail! I mean in DOS if I shell from > IPLAY I get no slowdown, no stutter. But with M4W it just freaks out. That's windows and the default settings in DOS.PIF. If you start a DOS session under windows it will practically take over the machine - it always kills anything i'm transferring over SLIP to a dead stop. hit alt-enter, then go to the settings menu in the dos box, click the radio button that says "Background" and set background priority to like 50% Also if you're using a standard GUS with Mod4Win it usually uses more CPU time than with other cards - this is because of how the Windows Wave driver for the GUS plays wave audio, and not Mod4Win's fault. some people say they use inertia successfully under windows in a dos session, but of course to do that you have to disable windows audio support. - Dan ----------------- Date: Sun, 29 Jan 95 00:10 EET From: Andrew Voss Subject: [KLF-TALK:941] Re: INERTIA PLAYER v1.21 IS OUT! > > On Fri, 27 Jan 95 16:09 EET, > banshee@rbdc.rbdc.com wrote: > > >Well it's on archive.epas.utoronto.ca in /pub/pc/ultrasound/submit as > >filename IPLAY121.ZIP I believe. Says it's the special Assembly '94 CD > >version...it's legit because I just checked it out a few hours ago. > > I got it and I'm really dissipointed... a 7 month wait for this? There are > barely any new features at all. > > -- > Chris Campbell - Port Hawkesbury, Nova Scotia > ftp://ftp.nstn.ca/in.coming/campbell/ > "640K ought to be enough for anybody." - Bill Gates, 1981 > > Hey duh, Stefan didn't make v1.21 of Iplay to satisfy the 7-month wants/needs of its users. Observe that it is an ASM94 CDROM Version, which means it was instead made just to work a bit better to play those tunes. Hold off your steam until the promised v1.30 arrives. -av (phoenix/kosmic) vossa@rpi.edu -----------------