TELECOM Digest Wed, 1 Jun 94 15:35:00 CDT Volume 14 : Issue 264 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Geographical Boundaries of COE's Reference Needed (semnet@gate.net) CALTEL Membership Questions (Russell Bunge) Box to Add Digits When Dialing (Marco A. Pinones) British Call Forwarding in 1960s (Randy Gellens) Re: Itemized Billing in UK (Richard Barry) Re: Itemized Billing in UK (Carl Moore) Recommendation For AlphaNumeric Paging Software (David Dodell) Re: Frame Relay SVC Specs Wanted (Dick Rawson) Re: How Smart is Call-Forwarding? (John Lundgren) Re: Performance of L.A. Cellular System (Steven H. Lichter) Re: Performance of L.A. Cellular System (John Nagle) Correction: Re: VIVE Caller ID Device Problems (Evan Gamblin) Re: SMS Messages on ORANGE (Sam Spens Clason) Re: Nice Job, if You Can Get it! (Rich Greenberg) Re: RBOCS & Video Remote learning in Schools? (Michael Chui) Re: Lower Domestic Telephone Rates (Chris Barr) Re: Leased Line Internet Access (Joseph J. Gerber) Re: Help: Bad Phone Lines in San Jose (Rob Levandowski) Re: No 911 Available as Tot Drowns (Ry Jones) Re: What's a 1A3B? (Alan Leon Varney) Re: What Did You Have For Dinner Today? (Dave Thompson) TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of public service systems and networks including Compuserve and GEnie. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. Subscriptions are available at no charge to qualified organizations and individual readers. Write and tell us how you qualify: * telecom-request@eecs.nwu.edu * The Digest is edited, published and compilation-copyrighted by Patrick Townson of Skokie, Illinois USA. 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Views expressed herein should not be construed as represent-* * ing views of the ITU. * ************************************************************************* Additionally, the Digest is funded by gifts from generous readers such as yourself who provide funding in amounts deemed appropriate. Your help is important and appreciated. All opinions expressed herein are deemed to be those of the author. Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: semnet@inca.gate.net (Seminar Network) Subject: Geographical Boundaries of COE's Reference Needed Date: 1 Jun 1994 11:29:07 -0400 Is there a book or set of maps that contain the Central Office Exchanges corresponding with geographical boundaries? For example, if I would like to know what physical boundary belongs to 617-753-0000, where 753 is the COE, is there a resource for that type of information. That is, I'm looking to know where all the subscribers who are in the 753 exchange are located. An analogy to this is the zip code maps where a certain zip code has a defined physical boundary. The bounday may overlap a couple of cities however. Just to re-iterate, a MAP is what I'm looking for, not a criss-cross directory that has street names or anything like that. Perhaps Bellcore has a set of publications for each LATA or NPA, I don't know. Thank you, semnet@gate.net [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I suggest you begin by speaking with Carl Moore (cmoore@brl.mil). He maintains those things in great detail. PAT] ------------------------------ From: rbunge@callamer.com (Russell Bunge) Subject: CALTEL Membership Questions Organization: SLONET Community Access System Date: Wed, 01 Jun 1994 18:00:16 GMT I'm looking for membership information on an association called CALTEL. I understand that CALTEL is an organization of Independent Long Distance providers in California, but I can't seem to find out where they are headquartered nor which companies belong. I've checked the Encyclopedia of Associations, no luck. I'd appreciate any information on this organization readers of this newsgroup can provide. Thanks, Russell Bunge rbunge@slonet.org ------------------------------ From: mpinones@netmon.mty.itesm.mx (Marco A. Pinones I.) Subject: Box to Add Digits When Dialing Date: 1 Jun 1994 18:14:16 GMT Organization: ITESM, Campus Monterrey I am looking for a box that could detect when digits are being dialed and add some digits at the very beginning. This is because we have a Vsats arrangement and the NEC equipment can only identify the links with two to four digits. To be compatible with our actual numbering, we need the vsat stations to be able to dial between them and to the rest of the net (with four digit extensions). The equipment at the vsat nodes is a Panasonic 1232. There is a link group on the NEC box that handles 16 channels to the voice net, asigned to a number that my vsat stations need to dial. I want this to be transparent to the user at each end, so I am thinking about a box that could read the digits when being dialed from vsat stations and can add the digits for the NEC equipment to select the 16 channels and the pass the other digits. Does such equipment exist? Greetings and thanks for any help. ------------------------------ From: RANDY@MPA15AB.mv-oc.Unisys.COM Date: 01 JUN 94 00:55:00 GMT Subject: British Call Forwarding in 1960s On an episode of _The_Avengers_ shown the other day (this British series from, I think, the 1960s is probably always in re-runs somewhere -- I see it on the A&E Network), the central character is about to go on holiday. He puts his luggage down, and runs through a checklist (plants, lights, windows, etc.) On reaching 'phone,' he pick up his phone (black, rotary desk set of course) and dials three digits. He says "Operator? This is WHitehall xxxx. My name is John Steed. I will be away for the next three weeks. Please forward my calls to the usual number." (He might have used 'direct' or a similar word instead of 'forward.') What sort of call-forwarding was offered by British Telecom in the 1960s? Randall Gellens randy@mv-oc.unisys.com (714) 380-6350 fax (714) 380-5912 Mail Stop MV 237 Net**2 656-6350 [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I think they had the same kind of 'call forwarding' that we had here in the USA in the 1930's: (pick up the receiver and wait for operator) ... "Beulah? This is Mr. Smith. I am going down to my office for a few hours so if any calls come in put them on that line instead" ... And how did Caller-ID work here in the USA back in the same era? (pick up the receiver and wait for operator) ... "Gertrude, is that you? Hi Gert ... listen the phone was ringing when I was coming in the door with my three bags of groceries (unspoken: which I got from Safeway for five dollars) ... who was calling me? Would you get them back on the line please?" PAT] ------------------------------ From: Richard Barry Subject: Re: Itemized Billing in UK Date: 01 Jun 1994 09:42:20 +0100 Organization: Ireland On-Line In article telecom14.250.3@eecs.nwu.edu, John Slater (johns@scroff. uk) wrote: > First of all, East End and West End are areas of London, so it's a > local call. (I believe Greater London is the largest geographic > calling area in the world). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ While Greater London might have the largest population of any local calling area, it is not geographically the largest. The longest distance local call in London would be about 50km. In many parts of Ireland you can call up to 100kms away at the local call rate. And at weekends the entire country is a 1p/min "local call" area (including calls *from* IRL to Northern Ireland. Using the weekend tariff you can call points up to 400kms distant between 0h SAT - 24h SUN for the equivalent of 1.4 US c/min. One suspects that there are even larger local calling areas in Australia, Greenland, etc? Richard Barry rbarry@iol.ie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jun 94 12:07:45 EDT From: Carl Moore Subject: Re: Itemized Billing in UK So in summary: In the UK, over a certain cost gets itemized (and this can include a very long local call on measured service). In the U.S., all calls beyond my local calling area are itemized. In my case, I opted for no local-call allowance, so any local calls I make are lumped into local-message-unit charge item on my phone bill. ------------------------------ Subject: Recommendation For AlphaNumeric Paging Software From: david@stat.com (David Dodell) Reply-To: david@stat.com (David Dodell) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 94 06:38:47 MST Organization: Stat Gateway Service, WB7TPY I'm always seeing inquiries about alpha numeric paging software for PC's and would like to recommend a company that I have no connection with. The software is called PopPage and sells for $19.95 The software is DOS based, will run under Window. It handles IXO/TAP, and will load high as a TSR if desired. Statistical Control Systems can be reached at 1-813-954-8816 voice, 1-813-954-8624 fax. They also make something called Interceptor - Digital Paging System Analyzer but I do not know anything about this product. I'm just a happy user of PopPage. David Dodell Editor, HICNet Medical Newsletter Internet: david@stat.com FAX: +1 (602) 451-1165 Bitnet: ATW1H@ASUACAD ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 May 94 15:22:31 PDT From: drawson@Tymnet.COM (Dick Rawson) Subject: Re: Frame Relay SVC Specs Wanted Recently? You want ANSI T1.617-1991, with the Supplement T1.617a-1993. Maybe it was the supplement that was "recent". Dick ------------------------------ From: jlundgre@ohlone.kn.PacBell.COM (John Lundgren) Subject: Re: How Smart is Call-Forwarding? Date: 31 May 94 18:18:54 GMT Organization: Pacific Bell Knowledge Network Maybe something in the carrier plant is causing the trouble. Something like a ADPCM or whatever circuit that doesn't recognize the modem and tries to compress what it thinks is voice. jlundgre@kn.pacbell.com \ jlundgr@eis.calstate.edu ------------------------------ From: co057@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steven H. Lichter) Subject: Re: Performance of L.A. Cellular System Date: 01 Jun 1994 13:22:23 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Right after the earthquake I was able to reach my father on his cellular phone which is on LA Cellular. I have PacBell (Air Touch) and used it to call him since all wire lines were blocked. Since his is A and mine was B it seemed to work fine. Also arn't most cellular phones switchable, I know mine witll go A or B or both. Sysop: Apple Elite II -=- an Ogg-Net Hub BBS (909) 359-5338 12/24/96/14.4 V32/V42bis ------------------------------ From: nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle) Subject: Re: Performance of L.A. Cellular System Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 1994 16:41:47 GMT Reon_Can@mindlink.bc.ca (Dan Matte) writes: > I am working on a proposal for an email system that will operate > exclusively over cellular in case of disaster resulting in land line > failure. Essentially, remote offices will dial-up over cellular to > the central office and retrieve messages in case of emergency. The > system will operate independently of land lines. Er, cell sites are typically linked by land line to a central site that controls the system. Only the last hop to the mobile phone is radio. If you lose the link to the central site, even two phones in the same cell can't talk. It's not a distributed system at all. John Nagle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jun 1994 06:29:59 -0400 From: egamblin@ott.hookup.net (Evan Gamblin) Subject: Correction Re: VIVE Caller ID Device Problems [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Carl Moore wrote to inquire about an error in a previous posting, and Evan Gamblin responded. PAT] > I notice there are inconsistencies in the spelling of the > following Carl's last name, and there is also an inconsistency > in the fax number. > Carl K.S. Too > President > VIVE Synergies Inc. 30 West Beaver Creek Rd, Unit 2, Richmond Hill, Ont > L4B 3K1. Tel 905 882-8107, ext 11. Fax: 905 882-8238 > Carl K.S. Teo > President,VIVE Synergies Inc., 30 West Beaver Creek Road, Unit 2, > Richmond Hill, Ontario L4B 3K1. > Tel: 905-882-6107 Ext.11, Fax: 905-882-6238 Thanks for pointing those out, Carl. I don't know what type of fax VIVE uses, but it compresses characters vertically. Makes it tricky to decide whether a letter is a, o, or e, and whether nos. are 0, 6, or 8. Cheers, Evan Gamblin The Halifax Group 903-275 Sparks St Ottawa, Ont K1R 7X9 Canada ------------------------------ From: d92-sam@nada.kth.se (Sam Spens Clason) Subject: Re: SMS Messages on ORANGE Date: 01 Jun 1994 13:48:44 GMT Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden In article , richard@mandarin.com writes: > d92-sam@nada.kth.se (Sam Spens Clason) wrote: Richard: >> It will become possible to send text messages from the handset (or >> computer) to any other GSM/PCN system, to any of the old analogue >> paging networks, or as an X400 message or a facsimile document. Me: >> I am pretty sure that what you are talking about is >> ordinary datatransfer that occupies a 9600 bit voice >> channel. Actually the rate of transfer is sligtly >> higher but I've never heard of a 11.4kbit modem Oops, since no one else has either corrected nor flamed me I guess I'll have to do it myself :-) It should say 13kbit (22.8 including overhead), I was sligtly ahead of my time as 11.4kbit is the data-transfer in future halfrate encoding systems. Related question: When can we expect halfrate encoding being in use?! Sam Spens Clason, Web ------------------------------ From: richgr@netcom.com (Rich Greenberg) Subject: Re: Nice Job, if You Can Get it! Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 23:50:21 GMT In article TELECOM Digest Editor noted in response to Anthony_Pelliccio@brown.edu: > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: But see Rich Greenberg's response earlier > in this issue. Apparently all that is changing is they are cracking down > on charging for visits made by technicians; if a technician is dispatched > to your premises you will pay for it whether the tech does the work or > you do the work. PAT] That is only partly correct Pat. It would be correct if you add: ... you do the work if the trouble is found to be on the customer side of the demark. Rich Greenberg Work: ETi Solutions, Oceanside & L.A. CA 310-348-7677 N6LRT TinselTown, USA Play: richgr@netcom.com 310-649-0238 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 21:34:38 -0500 From: Michael Chui Subject: Re: RBOCS & Video Remote learning in Schools? Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University In article , Gerry Moersdorf wrote: > Does anyone have an opinion on what the RBOCS are trying to do by > pushing TV remote learning grants and equipment to school systems? > The schools in our district don't even have telephones in classrooms > let alone a LAN for a client server teaching tool. To me the priorities > are all turned around. What possible business could RBOCS build with the > "poor" school districts? Ameritech has installed their Genius Theater distance learning system in some of the local schools here gratis, but with a commitment only for two years. I'm sure they wouldn't complain if the schools found it an *indispensable* tool (even if only as a symbol of commitment to using technology in the school), and were willing to start paying for it when the two years is up. Others might suggest that some cheap local bitpipe would be a much more effective contribution to learning. Michael Chui mchui@cs.indiana.edu ------------------------------ From: cbarr@world.std.com (Chris Barr) Subject: Re: Lower Domestic Telephone Rates Organization: Entrepreneur's Source Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 15:36:18 GMT > Does anyone know of a company that shops for low telephone rates for > you? > We use the telephones for tele-sales and heavy outgoing FAXes. I've > heard there are small, independent telephone consultants that can mix > and match the best rates into a coherent package deal. We're looking > for something customized to us. At least a few long distance providers read this newsgroup regularly -- why don't you post your current rates and usage and ask for responses? Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jun 1994 05:05:01 PDT From: Joseph_J._Gerber.Henr801e@xerox.com Subject: Re: Leased Line Internet Access Very interesting and informative article. Would like to obtain FAQ on modems. Is this available? We have a Help Desk at Xerox and we are running into every strange and wonderful modem man ever built. Having an FAQ might strengthen our training program on subject. Thanks, Joe Gerber [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Well you might also try subscribing to the Usenet newsgroup 'comp.dcom.modems'. A lot of readers there will be able to assist you from time to time with questions and answers also. PAT] ------------------------------ From: rlvd_cif@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Rob Levandowski) Subject: Re: Help: Bad Phone Lines in San Jose Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York Date: Wed, 01 Jun 94 15:55:14 GMT In terry@hh.sbay.org (Terry Greenlee) writes: > The third line will only connect at 7200 bd at best and usually 4800 > bd. I tested them at the box beside the house to make sure it was not > my inside wires. The phone company tested it from the main office and > found no problem. Monday a Bell tech will come out to test. I have had similar problems with phone companies out here. Often, their test equipment says "perfect" when that is not the case. I had a phone line in Geneseo, New York, that tested perfect but had audible crosstalk from a ringer in the CO. Because of that, my modem was very unhappy. Finally, I called the unresolved-complaints line, and spoke to a very pleasant person there. I kindly asked if they could swap the line from my apartment to the CO with a new pair, and she said it would be no problem. They came and swapped the line, and everything was fine. My modem was happy. So, I guess that telco "perfect" isn't always modem "perfect" :) Rob Levandowski macwhiz@cif.rochester.edu Computer Interest Floor associate / University of Rochester ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jun 1994 09:39:09 -0700 From: Ry Jones Subject: Re: No 911 Available as Tot Drowns - comp.dcom.telecom #1701 In article , Andrew C. Green wrote: > Dave.Leibold@f730.n250.z1.fidonet.org (Dave Leibold) writes: >> {The Toronto Star} reports of a 14-month-old boy in Barrie, Ontario >> who drowned while his mother attempted to dial 911. Unlike many >> centres in Canada, Barrie does not have a 911 service, thus calls to >> 911 are usually completed to a not-in-service recording. > I have encountered this myself occasionally in the past when I had to > call 911 from some unfamiliar location, and precious seconds would be > wasted slamming down the phone and redialing for the Operator. This > sort of begs the question, naive though this may be: Instead of > routing the call to an intercept, can't it be routed to an operator > instead? Any operator anywhere would probably be better than a > recorded intercept telling the caller to hang up and guess again. In Terre Haute, IN, before we got 911 (the tariff was passed but the service wasn't turned up), dialing 911 generated a GTE intercept. The operators would forward your call to the local police. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: This goes back a number of years, but here in Chicago in the month or so prior to 911 starting (when we were still dialing 'POlice 5-1313' and 'FIre 7-1313' there was a special intercept in place. Someone called 'Chicago Special Operator' answered by asking what was the number you were calling from, then dialed into the proper number. Under the old arrangement, every CO took calls to PO-5-1313 or FI-7-1313 and translated them into 'other.things-1313' so that the police and fire dispatchers could see the *general location* from which the call was orig- inating. For example, where I lived, calls to PO-5-1313 were actually translated in the central office to HAymarket 1-1313. When the HAymarket phone rang at police headquarters, they knew it was a call from my area of the city. It speeded up dispatching even if they did not know the exact address until the caller told them. Then, when 911 was turned on, for about two months after that the PO-5 and FI-7 numbers were routed into 911 with a very quick recorded intercept message tossed in as the call was being forwarded: "In the future please dial 911 for emergencies." PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jun 1994 11:39:29 +0600 From: varney@uscbu.ih.att.com (Alan Leon Varney) Subject: Re: What's a 1A3B? Organization: AT&T Network Systems In article stans@panix.com (Stan Schwartz) writes: > Here in downstate NYNEXland if an exchange has not been "taken over" > by a pager or cellular company, you can dial the NNX and 9901 to find > out what kind of switch is in that C/O. For example, dialing > (516)694-9901 will tell you that you have reached the Farmingdale 5ESS > test number, serving the following prefixes ... (you get the idea). > When dialing (516) 352-9901, however, I am told that I have reached > the Floral Park 1A3B, the only one of it's kind in Nassau County. Now > I have heard of 5ESS's and DMS-100's, but what is a 1A3B, and why is > it such a distinction to have one? It's no distinction, except in areas quickly going to digital COs. The "1A3B" is really a 1A ESS(tm) switch with an Attached Processor System (APS) controlled by a 3B20 Duplex(tm) processor. The 3B20D supplies the switch with backup disk storage, and possibily other services such as SS7. There are several hundred such analog COs deployed across the USA. Al Varney ------------------------------ From: Thompson, Dave Subject: RE: What Did You Have For Dinner Today? Date: Wed, 01 Jun 94 11:58:00 PDT In TELECOM Digest 14.256, Thu, 26 May 94 16:25:56 EDT Carl Moore wrote: > How could you write about cannibalism and forget Alfred E. > Packer? [explanation by PAT deleted that we might still have an appetite for dinner tonight ...] Coincidentally, CNN sometime late this past Memorial weekend had a filler item (sorry!), which I only caught part of while surfing, about some city (I *think* they said in CO) which has an annual "manburger" coooking contest in memory of Packer. The (female) anchors were, or acted, stumped for innocuous patter on this one. Dave Thompson, davet@fpg.logica.com Logica North America, +1 617-890-7730 [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Yes, every year or so the folks there have a 'memorial service' to honor Mr. Packer. 'Manburgers' are served as part of the occassion. Not content to let this thread die peacefully, a regular Digest contributor (who must remain unnamed since his comments were sent to me not for publication under his name) had an additional query: > Regarding the Alfred Packer thread you were reminiscing about, isn't > there another old celebrity a bit closer to home? I am referring here > to Ed Gein -- if memory serves, didn't he do much the same thing in > Wisconsin back around 1957? I don't recall the details myself ... Ah yes, Ed Gein. When Ed made the cover of {Time Magazine} back in 1957 I was a sophomore in high school. The news reports were certain to point out that his name was pronounced 'Gein, as in fiend, not Gyne as in fine.' Why the two most recent well-known cannibals in the USA both came from Wisconsin -- within fifty miles or so of each other -- I do not know. Maybe it is something in the atomosphere. Dahmer was from Milwaukee and Gein was from a little rural village maybe fifty miles from there. Of course we had John Gacy and Larry Eyler both here in Chicago and they lived only five miles apart but never knew each other. Alfred Hitchcock was so inspired by Ed Gein that he produced his most famous movie ever ("Psycho") based on Ed's true story. Ed was a bachelor farmer about fifty years of age living in rural Wisconsin. He had this hangup about his mother who had died a few years earlier. He missed her so much one night he went out to the old cemetery and dug her up and brought her back home with him. He sat her in her favorite rocking chair in the living room and left her there for a couple more years. But that's not all! Two children in the nearby village disappeared and no one ever knew what happened to them; except Ed, that is ... he ate them. He killed another woman and kept only her hair and her skin, tossing out the remainder. He would wear the skin on himself along with the hair. There were other disturbances at the old cemetery outside the village but the townspeople always attributed the problem to animals. Then one day Ed killed Mrs. Wharton, the proprietor of Wharton's Hardware Store in the village. He slipped up; he was seen by her son in the store a few minutes before she disappeared. Knowing his mom would never leave the store in the middle of the day, abandoned and unlocked, he notified the police. The country bumpkins they were, it took them a couple days to get around to deciding maybe Ed had something to do with it (everyone in town knew him; they knew he was mentally retarded but never suspected anything of this magnitude). When the police went to his house they found Mrs. Wharton in the barn, completely disemboweled and hung upside down from a rafter; the way one would go about slaughtering and preparing a deer or a cow. Her intestines and the rest of her organs were in a large galvanized tub nearby, still steaming in the chilly fall air in Wisconsin. The police on the scene told Ed they wanted to go look inside his house, and he had no objections to that at all; he proudly let the way. Inside they found the preserved skin and hair of the other victim; they found evidence of the two children Ed had kidnapped (he preserved some body parts in jars) and a few other things. But the best was yet to come: the police walked into the living room and there sat Mrs. Gein -- Eddie's mother -- right in the rocking chair where he had left her all this time. Over the next two months, Ed Gein was questioned at length (when the police were able to make any sense out of what he was talking about at all) about other unsolved crimes in recent years. Of particular interest to the authorities were the mutilation murders of three young boys in Chicago in September, 1955. Anton and Robert Schuessler, brothers aged 11 and 13,and their friend Robert Peterson, age 12 had been murdered with their nude and mutilated bodies left in a wooded area on the northwest side of Chicago. Ed Gein had been in Chicago that day. He would not confess to that crime despite having knowledge known otherwise only to the police. That crime has never been solved or closed off the books. After a mental examination, Ed Gein was found to be totally insane. When the results of his mental examination were entered in evidence at his trial, the state of Wisconsin dismissed the charges against him (in this country we do not prosecute or punish persons who are incompetent or unable to understand that what they did was wrong) and he was placed in the protective custody of the state hospital for criminally insane people. About ten years later he attempted to be granted parole from the hospital but it was not given to him. He died in the maximum security unit of the state hospital after twenty years there in the middle 1970's. Poor Ed Gein ... {Time Magazine} called him a hideous monster. Alfred Hitchcock called him 'my biggest money maker ever' ... you do remember Norman Bates' mother in the rocking chair in the cellar in 'Psycho' don't you? And it was Ed who spoke the words said later by Norman Bates as he was in jail awaiting trial: "My son is a good boy! Why, he would not even harm a fly ..." PAT] ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V14 #264 ******************************