kappes the theory and practice of having more than one love. Archive-name: polyamory/faq Please-Note: Comments on the contents should go to . Comments on the header should go to , who is providing automatic posting services for the maintainer. The Alt.polyamory Faq Table of Contents: 2). What's polyamory, then? 3). But isn't that "cheating"? 4). Primaries, secondaries, vees and triads: polyjargon and polygeometry 5). What about jealousy? 6). Are there rules for being polyamorous? 7). How do you decide who sleeps where when? 8). Why do some posts talk about Hot Bi Babes? (and where can I get one?) 9). Are all polyfolk bisexual? 10). Do polyamorous relationships last? 11). How can I tell if I am polyamorous? 12). What about living together and commitment and marriage and all that? 13). What will the children think? 14). How does a person start (or continue) a poly relationship? 15). How do I explain this to people? Administrivia: Okay, this is version 2.2. I also need to include a list of other newsgroups and mailing lists of interest; got one? Juan has reformatted this to proper net.style, for which we thank him. Hope this is useful. Please feel free to send comments directly to me and/or post 'em to the newsgroup as you choose. As always, I apologize for any errors, inadvertent or gratuitous. Yours in service to truth, beauty, and eleemosynary wordsmithery, I remain, Elise ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Alt.polyamory is a USENET newsgroup more or less full of people interested in talking about polyamory and related topics. Alt.polyamory was founded by Jennifer Wesp on May 29, 1992. ------------------------------ (Glad you asked that. ;-) ) Polyamory means "loving more than one". This love may be sexual, emotional, spiritual, or any combination thereof, according to the desires and agreements of the individuals involved, but you needn't wear yourself out trying to figure out ways to fit fondness for apple pie, or filial piety, or a passion for the Saint Paul Saints baseball club into it. "Polyamorous" is also used as a descriptive term by people who are open to more than one relationship even if they are not currently involved in more than one. (Heck, some are involved in less than one.) Some people think the definition is a bit loose, but it's got to be fairly roomy to fit the wide range of poly arrangements out there. ------------------------------ Nope. Oh, you wanted a longer answer. Okay. According to the OED, cheating means "fraud, deceit, swindling." There's a nice quote from 1532: "The first...ground of Chetinge is...a studdy to seme to be, and not to be in deede." In other words, cheating is to convey through deliberate action the impression that one is of a particular nature while one is, in fact, something quite different. What this boils down to with polyamory is that polyamorous people do not tell partners, lovers, or prospective members of those groups that they are monogamous when in fact they are not -- nor do they allow these people to assume they are monogamous, regardless of how convenient or personally advantageous such assumptions might be. The words "honest", "negotiate", "communication" and "being out" occur frequently in discussions of how polyamory usually works. As Stef puts it: "I think the key in defining polyamory is *openness*, that is, having multiple relationships with the knowledge and consent of your partner(s) rather than by deceit. (How much openness, how many details are shared, of course varies widely.) A great many people have secret affairs while they're in a supposedly monogamous relationship. I think those people might have the potential to be polyamorous, but I do not think they are practicing polyamory. Another key in defining polyamory, IMO, is that it need not involve sex (although it often does)." Generally speaking, if someone openly practices "more than one love" and calls themself polyamorous, they probably are; if they practice "more than one love" and call themself monogamous, do not adjust your television: the problem is *not* in your receiver. ------------------------------ polygeometry Since there are lots of different ways to organize (or not organize, if one is blessed by the Goddess of Chaos, or has a taste for happy anarchy, or is a principled egalitarian) relationships, it follows that there are ways of describing these various arrangements. This polyjargon has evolved in the newsgroup over time, and the words are merely descriptives. No approval or disapproval of any particular arrangement is to be expressed or implied. Primary - word often used in a hierarchal multi-person relationship to denote the person with whom one is most strongly bonded. In some cases this bond or commitment takes the form of legal marriage. As bigamy is not legal, the option of having two (or more) legally wedded primaries simultaneously is not currently practicable, though non-legal ceremonies may certainly be performed. In some cases "primary" refers to the lover with the most seniority. Secondary - follows from primary, in a hierarchal relationship, denotes a person with whom one is involved without the emotional, legal, or economic complexities and commitments of primary bonding. Yes, some people talk about tertiaries and so on. Some people also don't like the terms primaries and secondaries or the concepts behind the terms, preferring to have "a circle of equals" as one poly person called it. Stef contributed the term "Non-hierarchical Polyamory" for this kind of arrangement. Triads - three people involved in some way. Often used in a fairly committed sense, in some cases involving ceremonies of commitment, but also used simply to mean "three people who are connected". Example: "Jodine, Mischa and Mickey are a FMM triad living in Excelsior." Vee - Three people, where the structure puts one person at the bottom, or "hinge" of the vee, also called the pivot point. In a vee, the arm partners are not as commonly close to each other as each is to the pivot. Triangle (or equilateral triangle) - relationship where three people are each involved with both of the others. Sometimes also called a triad. Line Marriage - term from the works of Robert A. Heinlein, science fiction writer, meaning a marriage that from time to time adds younger members, eventually establishing an equilibrium population (spouses dying off at the same rate as new ones are added). This is a different form of familial immortality than the traditional one of successive generations of children. (Definition courtesy of M. Schafer, and yes, there are people who are in situations like this who use the term to describe their family.) Polyfidelity: Relationship involving more than two people who have made a commitment to keep the sexual activity within the group and not have outside partners. (Rumor has it that this term was coined by the group Kerista.) Quads, pentacles, sextets and more: There are polyfolk who exist in multiple arrangements with more than three members. Geometry can get complicated, and creative nomenclature abounds. As in every other aspect of polyamory, the precise bonds of intimacy vary from group to group and from member to member within groups. ------------------------------ Some people seem to have no jealousy; it's as if they didn't get that piece installed at the factory. Others, including some long-term polyamorists, feel jealousy, which they regard as a signal that something needs investigation and care, much as they would regard depression or pain. Jealousy is neither a proof of love (and this is where polyamory differs from possessive or insecure monogamy) nor a moral failing (and this is where polyamory differs from emotionally manipulating one's partner(s) into relationships for which they are not ready). ------------------------------ Nobody has a trademark on How It's Done, if that's what you mean. The best anyone can do is tell how it works for them, and as with most other things, YMMV. (That means "Your Mileage May Vary.") Some people have "rules of thumb". Elf and Omaha: "I will play safe. I will come home." Joe and Kat: "Your needs come first. We'll talk about everything. What they said." Elise: "Since a certain 'learning experience' I have felt strongly that I should never allow my relationship with a new person to be a tool used to avoid dealing with a 'broken' other relationship. In fact, one of the things I am most careful about is 'emotional spillover'; I have a policy of not spending intense time with otherloves when there is something out of balance with one love. Naturally this tends to speed up the opening of negotiations about the difficulty. ;-) I think it's unfair to my loves to use the time I spend with them as a palliative when there's trouble elsewhere; it keeps me from doing the work I need to do, the work I agreed to do when I took on the reality of the relationship." If you want rules of thumb, you get to make them up yourself. No warranty expressed or implied, and keep checking the instrument panel throughout your flight. ------------------------------ This is the most often asked question in panel discussions of polyamory, making some polyfolk wonder why sex is more interesting than the emotional and other intimacies of polyamorous life. The answer is that the people involved decide, and they decide *how* they decide, too. Some people have conferences and divide up the week, some people all pile happily into one big bed, and for all I know some people spin a big wheel with blinking lights on it each evening....and some people can love one another, have no sex, and choose to live in separate homes if that is most comfortable for them. The answer usually evolves out of discussion, empathy and practice, which makes it a lot like good lovemaking. As jack says: "The thing to remember is that the sexuality of a relationship is not the most important aspect of it. The best thing I can do for either of my partners is meet them at the door with a buttered biscuit and a smile." ------------------------------ It's a newsgroup joke referring to the occasional post from someone, almost always identifying himself as a straight male, who is seeking "hot" (i.e. sexually arousing) bisexual female partners to save him from the monotonies of the back rack at his local video rental shop. The term Hot Bi Babe is almost always used sarcastically, occasionally by those of us who really are hot bi babes, to lampoon those who regard our sexual preferences as a spectator sport. (Our crankiness has more to do with the frequency and ineptitude of clueless approaches than it does with the acceptability of fantasies or anything like that.) (and where can I get some?) cards and letters. ------------------------------ No. There are many polyamorous people who are also bisexual, and many who are monosexual (i.e. relating only to one gender as potential or actual sexual/romantic partners; straight or gay/lesbian). There are also lots of folks who don't do sexual preference/orientation labels at all. One doesn't always know until one asks, as with so many other things. Avoiding assumptions is usually worth the exercise. ------------------------------ Some do, some don't, just like any other kind of relationships. Some folks on the newsgroup have been together for many years; some own houses and have children together. Being polyamorous is no guarantee that relationships will be easier, though there can be advantages to shared joys and shared sorrows, as the old saying goes. ------------------------------ I'm not sure; only you will know, and according to the philosophy of some folks, people aren't polyamorous, although behavior can be. Some people find that approach useful, and others prefer to think of "polyamorous people". Some polyfolk tend to recognize themselves in the descriptions, and can only be restrained with difficulty from jumping up and down and screeching, "See! See! I *knew* it wasn't just me! Hooray!" If you aren't sure you're poly, the best practice is probably to act kindly and responsibly, and to communicate clearly to the best of your ability as you learn; come to think of it, that's the best practice for polyfolk, too, so you'll be one of the crowd anyhow. Besides, being polyamorous is not inherently "better" than being monogamous, so there's no need to feel like you have to pledge allegiance or anything like that just to hang out and look at the questions. Another thing to consider is that the word "polyamorous" is, like all labels, just a tool. What you do and how you treat the people you love is probably more important to them, in the long run, than whether you fit a particular descriptive term, so don't sweat it, okay? And take good care of each other. Andy Latto took issue with the concept of "being polyamorous," and what he had to say was pretty interesting: "There aren't polyamorous and monogamous people; there are polyamorous and monogamous relationships. The same person may at various times be happy in both monogamous and polyamorous relationships at various times in his/her life. What is right depends on you and your feelings, and the feelings of those you are involved in relationships with. You may at some times be involved in a relationship that is monogamous, and that may be the right thing for the people in that relationship; at other times, you may be in a relationship which works better as part of a polyamorous network of relationships. In any case, the important thing is probably to act kindly and responsibly, and to communicate clearly with intimate partners and potential partners about these issues. Don't deny your feelings or the feelings of those that you care about. Get in touch with how you and those you care about really feel, rather than how society wants you to feel, or how you think it would be logical to feel, or how you've been told polyamorous people (or monogamous people) should feel. Then behave in ways which are honest, and which make you, and the people you care about, and the people they care about, happy and fulfilled. If this results in you having more than one intimate relationship at the same time, or being involved in a relationship with more than two people, those who are big on categorizing and labeling people will label you a 'poly person'." ------------------------------ and all that? Good question. Ask it; there are many many approaches among the people on the newsgroup. From cohousing to communal living to group marriage to things-undreamed, there are a multitude of ways. Design a new one and see how it works. Unlearn assumptions about an old arrangement. Ask questions, and practice empathy. Most of all, polyamory seems to be about building new configurations of relationships rather than trading people in and out like baseball cards. As amanda r. clark says: "Poly is being open to the opportunity if it comes along, not úÿ úÿ(Continued from last message) refusing commitments because something better might come loping down the path." ------------------------------ As Martin Schafer says: "If you don't think you are doing anything wrong, and can honestly explain that, they'll probably think it's pretty neat. For some of us having more people involved in child rearing is a big practical benefit of our lifestyle. The details of how this works is a fertile topic for discussion, both here and among the individuals involved." ------------------------------ relationship? First, there are no rules. Nobody owns the copyright on polyamory. You get to build your own to fit you and your dearloves. One thing that comes up in every conversation about polyamory is communication. If there is any basic building block, this is probably it. If you can talk about your hopes, you're on the way to realizing them. If you're in a relationship already, and have not talked about how you feel and what you want, and you're asking the question "How do I start doing this poly stuff?", you may have some qualms about talking to your partner. What you do will have to be determined by your own ethics and your own situation; chances are that if you ask on the newsgroup, many polyfolk will suggest you talk it over with your partner, and they may point out that even if you two do not decide to live polyamorously, you may very well increase the intimacy level in your monogamous dyad by having the discussion. On the other hand, it may all go blooey, and this is why people hesitate. On the third hand, nothing ventured, nothing gained. On the fourth hand, it might be useful to increase the intimacy level in the existing relationship and address any outstanding difficult issues there *before* having this particular discussion. Four more hands and you've got a nice statue of Kwan Yin there, and seeing as how she's the Goddess of Mercy, she might come in handy at a time like this. Joe Avins feels that it's not a good idea to try to force a relationship into an attractive model; he favors the "relax, be open, and see what happens" approach, and quotes Pete Seeger: "Take it easy, but take it." If you're already in more than one relationship and haven't disclosed this yet, you will find people on the newsgroup who have experienced similar things - from all three sides - and are willing to discuss their perceptions and the actions they took. ------------------------------ David Rostcheck says: "You don't have to explain yourself at all, or answer to anyone. You're happy. Your feelings require no justification. It's a mistake to try to reconcile what you feel with a social classification, because the classification may not really suit you. You start with your feelings, understand them and be comfortable with them. You, your feeling, and the people you care about are the important things. You're getting in this unnatural, inverted position of trying to explain yourself. You don't have to explain yourself to the world. You just are, and your relationship just is. If other people want to understand it, then you try to explain to them in basic terms what you feel, and that you're happy. "Here's how I'd deal with some specific questions: ":Are you seeing my daughter or this other girl? I'm seeing them both. ":So you're cheating on her? No. They both know; we're all friends and we're happy that way. ":Well, which do you love? I love them both. ":Which do you love more? I don't understand the question. They're different people. How do you measure? ":Why don't you commit to one of them? Why can't I commit to both of them? "See? You don't have to bend over backwards to express yourself in their terms. They may have to learn your terms to understand you. You're not the one who doesn't understand; they have to put in the work to comprehend you. Remember, the bunch of you have something that comes naturally and feels right for you; whether or not other people get it is a secondary issue. As long as you do what you want you'll be happy. "Does that help any?" ------------------------------ Not that I know of. ;-) There are several proposed symbols, of which the most common seems to be the parrot. As parrot pins and other ornaments are relatively easy to find, this symbol seems likely to catch on over the others. It also has the advantage of being humorous, which is a needed quality in such a staid, on stun.) ------------------------------ ************************ kappes polyamorous relationships. With proper application and ingenuity, these methods may impair or destroy monogamous relationships as well; they're truly multipurpose tools. Archive-name: polyamory/faq-supplement Please-Note: Comments on the contents should go to . Comments on the header should go to , who is providing automatic posting services for the maintainer. Last-Modified: 07/22/94 Alt.polyamory FAQ - the first supplement How to f*** up The preceding list of answers to questions about polyamory is not a guide to how to have a working polyamorous relationship, although we have strong anecdotal evidence that the tools mentioned are useful in all sorts of relationships, mono and poly. We do, however, have the following guide of carefully tested methods for making mistakes in polyamorous relationships. With proper application and ingenuity, these methods may impair or destroy monogamous relationships as well; they're truly multipurpose tools. We post this listing for your consideration; no liability expressed or implied. 1. Lie. This is basic and effective. To maximize bad results, lie about something important to the other person(s) and arrange to be caught in the lie in such a way as to produce maximum shock. Additional stress points awarded for keeping the lie going for a while before discovery, which increases the disorientation and sense of betrayal in the deceived person(s). Lying about sex gets double points. Lying about being married gets triple f***-up points. Creative lies of omission (i.e. "not telling") with fancy rationalizations and condescension get gold stars. 2. Avoid self-knowledge. This is more elegant than strategy 1, as it combines a bold sweep of denial with sorties of distraction aimed at oneself. This tactic is most effective when combined with tactics 3 and 4. Self-destructive or addictive behaviour has also been found very effective in avoiding self-knowledge by our researchers. When combined with an endearing attitude of helplessness, this strategy has been proven efficacious in attracting "rescuers" or "white knights" on whom one can then practice strategies 4 and 3, in that order. 3. Blame the other person(s). If anything went wrong, hey, it must be their fault, right? This eliminates the need for messy things like communication and negotiation, which can be embarrassing, particularly if one is using strategy 2. 4. Disclaim responsibility. This is a little more complex than strategy 3, and often includes what is referred to as "codependency". The classic way to play this strategy is to cater to the partner(s) involved while repressing one's own desires and questions. This allows a good head of resentment to build up, and one can justify anger by saying one has done so *much* for one's partner(s) and gets no thanks, etc. In its most refined state, this strategy makes the other person(s) responsible for setting the direction, pace and content of the relationship, for which one can them blame them if one's own expectations or needs are not met. Using strategy 2 to avoid knowledge of these expectations and needs gets double points. 5. Push. This is an art, albeit a crude one. When augmented with strategy 6, pushing can achieve spectacular negative results in even a short time. Remember, when pushing, only *your* satisfaction counts! It's a dog eat dog world, and you're a pit bull. Emotional and mental bullying can be as satisfying as old-fashioned physical coercion, and not nearly as easily prosecutable. 6. Play on insecurity. This is an old favorite. Using sexual insecurity as a weapon and combining this with strategy 5 is a four-star winner. Attempting to control one's partner(s) by manipulating them through their insecurities is a sure-fire f***-up tactic. It's so much more delicate than simply beating them up, too, though the resultant emotional damage can be remarkably similar. 7. Avoid intimacy. This may seem paradoxical; after all, we're talking about getting up-close and personal with as many hot bi babes -- er, ahem -- we're discussing achieving satisfyingly close relationships with a number of people, right? The trick of avoiding intimacy can be performed in several ways, but the easiest is to confuse intimacy with "rubbing slippery bits together". Substitute the words "sex" and "love" for each other often in conversations. Repeat the mantra, "If you loved me, you'd know what I want." Practice strategy 8 assiduously, supplementing it with strategy 2. According to the needs of the moment, figure out whether action or words are more likely to be ambiguous or misconstrued, and go with what gives you the most plausible deniability later. Some exceptionally talented individuals manage to give the impression of being intimate while successfully remaining stone-cold. Study sales techniques for pointers. People with good "lines" fall into this category, especially if the lines include explanations of how they truly *value* the other person. 8. Don't talk. Talking has been known to lead to communication if practiced carelessly. Communication will seriously impair your f***-up progress, and in certain cases will halt or reverse it entirely. If you *must* talk, use cliches and quotations from popular songs as much as possible, or fall back on strategy number 1. If all else fails, make a safer-sex agreement with your partner(s) and then break it, contracting a communicable disease about which you do not then tell them. Double points for avoiding all discussion or negotiation of sexual matters entirely so that the "agreement" is wishful thinking and completely deniable. For a coup de grace, add strategy 6 and tell them it wouldn't have happened if they had been satisfying you like they were supposed to. 9. For the ultimate metaf***-up, remain technically faithful to your partner while breaking the spirit of whatever agreement you have whenever possible, keeping this knowledge bottled up to ensure maximum fear, shame and resentment. Some people win the grand prize with the figleaf-and-stinging-nettle cluster for self-inflicted suffering and wasted potential by managing to keep this strategy up until death do them part, concealing from their spouse the fact that they have been shamming happiness all these years. ******************************************************************** Whew! Yuck! You know, writing those sure took me down memory lane. What I hoped to do with this little icky essay was illustrate the flip side of some of the tools in the toolbox for healthy poly (and other) relationships. These "bad tools" are humorous (pretty bent humor, too), but the good tools are serious. kappes entertainment Archive-name: polyamory/culture Please-Note: Comments on the contents should go to . Comments on the header should go to , who is providing automatic posting services for the maintainer. Last-Modified: Mon, Jan 30, 1995 The Alt.polyamory FAQ Culture Supplement 1.) Poly Non-fiction 2.) Poly Fiction 3.) Poly Movies 4.) Poly Songs 5.) Other Poly Creativeness 6.) Poly Organizations Key to symbols: * indicates level of poly in piece ! indicates poly friendliness of piece For further information on books on this list, you can telnet the Library of Congress at dra.com or locis.loc.gov 1.) Poly Non-fiction ***** !!!!! Deborah Anapol, "Love Without Limits" (see IRC listing under organizations) ***** !!!!! M. L. Carden, "Oneida: Utopian Community to Modern Corporation" ***** ! Audrey Chapman, "Mansharing: Dilemma or Choice" ***** !!!! G. Clanton & C. Downing, "Face to Face to Face" ***** !! L. & J. Constantine, "Group Marriage" *** !!!!! Samuel R. Delany, "Heavenly Breakfast" *** !!!!! Samuel R. Delany, "The Motion of Light in Water" ** !!!! Helen Fisher, "Anatomy of Love" * ! Arno Karlen, "Threesomes: Studies in Sex, Power, and Intimacy" ***** !!!!! Aidan A. Kelly (ed), "The New Polygamy: The Polyamorous Lifestyle as a New Spiritual Path." *** !!! R. Libby & R. Whitehurst, "Marriage and Alternatives: Exploring Intimate Relationships" *** !!! Spencer Klaw, "Without Sin" *** !!! R. Mazur, "The New Intimacy: Open Marriages and Alternative Lifestyles" ** ! Peter McWilliams, "Ain't Nobody's Business If You Do: The Absurdity of Consentual Crimes in a Free Society" ***** !!!!! Ryam Nearing, "Loving More: The Polyfidelity Primer" (see PEP listing under organizations) ** !!! Anais Nin, "The Diaries of Anais Nin" **** !!!!! Nena and George O'Neill, "Open Marriage" *** n/a "The Pillow Book" (erotic art from India, China, and Japan) *** !!! James Ramey, "Intimate Friendships" *** !!! Carl Rogers, "Becoming Partners: Marriage and Its Alternatives" ** !!!! Bertrand Russell, "Marriage and Morals" ***** !!! Gay Talese, "Thy Neighbor's Wife" *** !! Robert Thamm, "Beyond Marriage and the Nuclear Family" 1.) Poly Fiction * ! Isabel Allende, "Eva Luna" *** !! Thea Alexander, "2150 AD" ** !! Wilhelmina Baird, "Crashcourse" ** !!! Wilhelmina Baird, "Clipjoint" *** !!! John Dudley Ball, "Chief Tallon and the S.O.R." *** !!! M. A. R. Barker, "Flamesong" *** !!! M. A. R. Barker, "Man of Gold" **** !!!! Gael Baudino, "Gossamer Axe" **** !!!!! Amy Bloom, "Love is Not a Pie", short story *** !!!! Marion Zimmer Bradley, "The Forbidden Tower" ** !! Rita Mae Brown, "Six of One" ** !! Orson Scott Card, "Saints" ** !!! Ernest Callenbach, "Ecotopia" ** !!! Ernest Callenbach, "Ecotopia Emerging" ** !! Robertson Davies, "Fifth Business" ** !! Robertson Davies, "Leaven of Malice" ** !! Robertson Davies, "Lyre of Orpheus" ** !! Robertson Davies, "World of Wonders" ** !!!!! Samuel R. Delany, "Babel-17" * !!!!! Samuel R. Delany, "Dhalgren" *** !!!!! Samuel R. Delany, "The Mad Man" ** !!!!! Samuel R. Delany, "Stars in My Pocket Like Grains of Sand" ** !!!!! Samuel R. Delany, "Triton" ** !!! Wayne Dyer, "Gifts From Eykis" *** !!! Goethe, "Wahlverwandschaften" *** !!! Robert Graves, "Goodbye to All That" *** !!! Robert Graves, "Watch the North Wind Rise" * !! Andrew Harvey, "Burning Houses" ** !!!!! Robert Heinlein, "Beyond This Horizon" ** !!!!! Robert Heinlein, "The Cat Who Walked Through Walls" ** !!!!! Robert Heinlein, "Friday" *** !!!!! Robert Heinlein, "Glory Road" ** !!!!! Robert Heinlein, "Gulf" **** !!!!! Robert Heinlein, "I Will Fear No Evil" *** !!!!! Robert Heinlein, "Methuselah's Children" ** !!!!! Robert Heinlein, "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" *** !!!!! Robert Heinlein, "The Number of the Beast" *** !!!!! Robert Heinlein, "To Sail Beyond the Sunset" **** !!!!! Robert Heinlein, "Stranger in a Strange Land" **** !!!!! Robert Heinlein, "Time Enough For Love" * !!! John Irving, "The World According to Garp" *** !! Mercedes Lackey & Ellen Guon, "Knight of Ghosts and Shadows" * !! Mercedes Lackey & Ellen Guon, "Summoned to Tourney" ** !!!! Doris Lessing, "The Marriages Between Zones Three, Four, and Five" *** !! Elizabeth Lynn, "The Dancers of Arun" *** !! Elizabeth Lynn, "A Different Light" *** !! Elizabeth Lynn, "The Sardonyx Net" **** !!!! Donald Kingsbury, "Courtship Rite" ("Geta" in the UK) **** ! Milan Kundera, "The Unbearable Lightness of Being" *** !!! Michael P. Kube-McDowell, "The Quiet Pools" **** !!!! Larry McMurty, "Leaving Cheyenne" ** !!! Vonda McIntyre, "Starfarers" ** !!! Vonda McIntyre, "Transition" ** !!! Vonda McIntyre, "Metaphase" * !!!!! Shirley Meier, "Shadow's Daughter" * ! Vladimir Nabokov, "Ada" **** ! Maxine Paetro, "Manshare" * !!! David Palmer, "Emergence" **** !!!! Marge Piercy, "The High Cost of Living" *** !! Marge Piercy, "Woman on the Edge of Time" *** !!! Marge Piercy, "Summer People" **** !!!!! Robert Rimmer, "Come Live My Life" **** !!!!! Robert Rimmer, "The Harrad Experiment" *** !!!!! Robert Rimmer, "The Immoral Reverend" *** !!!!! Robert Rimmer, "The Love Exchange" *** !!!!! Robert Rimmer, "Premar Experiments" *** !!!!! Robert Rimmer, "Proposition 31" *** !!!!! Robert Rimmer, "The Rebellion of Yale Marrat" **** !!!!! Robert Rimmer, "Thursday My Love" ** !! Elizabeth Scarbourough, "The Harem of Aman Akbar" ** !!! Melissa Scott, "The Empress of Earth" ** !!! Melissa Scott, "The Five-Twelfths of Heaven" ** !!! Melissa Scott, "Silence in Solitude" *** !!!!! Starhawk, "The Fifth Sacred Thing" * !!!!! S. M. Stirling, "Snow Brother" **** !!!!! S. M. Stirling & Shirley Meier, "The Cage" * !!!!! S. M. Stirling & Shirley Meier, "Saber and Shadow" *** !!!!! S. M. Stirling, Shirley Meier, & Karen Wehrstein, "Shadow's Son" ** !!! John Varley, Gaia trilogy; "Demon", "Titan", "Wizard" ** !!! John Varley, "The Persistance of Vision" ** !!! Joan D. Vinge, "The Outcasts of Heaven's Gate" ** !!! Alice Walker, "The Temple of My Familiar" **** !!!!! Karen Wehrstein, "Lion's Heart" **** !!!!! Karen Wehrstein, "Lion's Soul" *** !!! James Wharram, "Two Girls, Two Catamarans" ** !!! Kate Wilhelm, "Where Late the Sweet Birds Sing" 3.) Poly Movies "Another Woman's Lipstick" (Denise Crosby) Three episodes based on "Red Shoe Diaries", first episode concerns a woman who has two different lovers, who satisfy different needs. More dishonest monogamy than polyamory. "Belle Epogue" (Ariadna Gil) Spanish film set during the Spanish Civil War.An artist takes in a deserter, who repays him by sleeping with all four of his daughters. It's pretty light hearted and a warm farcical romp. "Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice" (Robert Culp, Angie Dickenson) This is very much a wife-swapping tale, rather than being more generally oriented. Widely known and raises many poly questions. "A Change of Seasons" (Shirley Maclaine, Bo Derek) Maclaine's professor husband has an affair with Derek; she then has an affair of her own, and then the four decide to go on a holiday together to see whether they can work something out... "Enemies: A Love Story" (Angelica Houston, Ron Silver) A tale of a man and the three women in his life. "The Harrad Experiment" (James Whitmore, Tippi Hedron, Don Johnson) Adaptation of the Robert Rimmer book. Unfortunately it spends so much time on the topic of public nudity that it has little left over to deal with poly issues. "Harrad Summer" "Heartbeat" (Nick Nolte) This is the story of "beat" reporter Jack Kerouac's affair with a married couple. "Henry and June" (Uma Thurman, Fred Ward) Writer Henry Miller has an affair with his friend Anais Nin... and then his wife June shows up. Anais finds herself becoming attracted to June.... "The Hunger" (Catherine Deneuve, David Bowie, Susan Sarandon) More bi than poly, and only a few moments of that. At the end Sarandon's character seems to have new lovers of both genders. "A Lesson in Love" (1954) (Ingmar Bergman) A romantic comedy about a doctor trying to win back his wife after she leaves him over an affair of his. "Lianna" (John Sayles) A professor's wife finds out he's haveing an affair, and at the same time falls in love with a female professor. More a lesbian tale than a poly one, but especially good at showing the effects on family and friends of "coming out" different. "Loving Couples" "Loving Molly" (Beau Bridges, Sally Fields) The story of three men and the one woman that they share from the time they are children and throughout their lives. "Lucky Lady" (Liza Minelli, Gene Hackman, Burt Reynolds) It does look like the three main characters are getting set to stay together at the end of the movie. "Mahabharata" Contains the marriage of five brothers, the Pandava, to a single wife, Draupadi, based (I believe) on aspects of mythology from India. "Mickey and Maude" "No Way Out" (Kevin Costner, Sean Young, Gene Hackman) Costner gets involved with Young, who is already involved with his boss (Hackman). Bad things happen. She actively says that she is poly (before she is killed). "Paint Your Wagon" (Lee Marvin, Jane Fonda, Clint Eastwood) Due to the scarity of women, Marvin and Eastwood share one. "Red Shoe Diaries" Man finds out about girlfriends poly lifestyle after she kills herself. Then he meets her other lover. "Rita and Sue ... and Bob too" A married man's affair with two younger women causes his wife to leave him. Can the three lovers transmute their sexual interest into something more lasting? "Same Time Next Year (Alan Alda) Alda has a once a year meeting with his lover (as opposed to his wife), most of the time is spent examining the changes in the two people in the intervening times. "The Seduction of Joe Tynan" (Alan Alda) Alda plays a politician who falls in love with another woman at a convention. "She's Gotta Have It" One of Spike Lee's earliest films, deals with a polyamorous young woman and the three men who want her to choose. There are also alot of Afro-American male/female issues addressed in this movie. "Small Circle of Friends" Genuine poly values are central to the plot of this film about a MFM triad. Low-budget production, but asks good questions. "Summer Lovers" (Darryl Hannah) A young American couple on a summer vacation in the Mediterranean get involved with a French archaeologist. "3 of Hearts" (this has a different ending in the European release) (Kelly Lynch, Sherilyn Fenn, William Baldwin) Lesbian Lynch loses partner Fenn, who is bi, she pays Baldwin to seduce Fenn and dump her, hoping that she will come back. In the European release the movie ends with Baldwin getting the girl, in the American release he doesn't. "Threesome" (Laura Flynn Boyle, Steven Baldwin, Josh Charles) The story of 2 men and 1 woman who find themselves assigned to the same dorm room, and the relationship that develops. Their multi- partner relationship is portrayed in a very poly-friendly way. "The Unbearable Lightness of Being" (Daniel Day-Lewis, Lena Olin) The womanizing Tomas falls in love with the monogamous Tereza, but cannot give up his lover Sabina....Meanvhile, Russian tanks roll over Prague... 4.) Poly Songs Joan Armatrading, "The Weakness in Me" David Crosby, Jefferson Airplane, "Triad" Devo, "Happy Guy" Enya, "Marble Halls" Howard Jones, "Noone is to Blame" King Crimson, "Man With an Open Heart" Kathy Mar (her new tape) Deidre McCalla, "Don't Doubt It" Mondo Vita, "Four Way Stop" The Monks, "Love in Stereo" Michael Nesmith, "Different Drum" Prince, Cyndi Lauper, "When U Were Mine" Chris Rea, "Nothing to Fear" Resless Heart, "Why Does It Have to Be" The Roches, "The Two That I Want" 5.) Other Poly Creativeness Love and Rockets comic books have a poly/bi accepting story line written by Jaime Hernandez Omaha the Cat Dancer and ElfQuest comic books also have main characters that are frequently or occasionally involved in polyamourous relationships. 6.) Poly Organizations a.) Mailing lists Triples - to subscribe send a message to triples-request@hal.com. This is a moderated list for discussion of poly issues. Poly-Boston - to subscribe send a message to majordomo@world.std.com with the line "subscribe poly-boston" in the body of the message. This is a list for poly and poly-friendly folk in the Boston, MA USA area. b.) Organizations Abundant Love Institute Abundant Love Institute Membership Information Conference Information P.O Box 4322 P.O. Box 6306 San Rafael, CA 94913-4322 Ocean View, HI 96737 (415) 507-1739 (808) 929-9691 Church of All Worlds Delaware Valley Synergy P.O. Box 1542 Box 252 Ukiah, CA 95482 Huntington Valley, PA 19006-0252 Live the Dream Touchpoint 6454 Van Nuys Blvd #150 Network for the Nonmonogamous Van Nuys, CA 91401 P.O. Box 408 818/361-6737 Chloride, AZ 86431 Loving Alternatives Oregon Local P.O. Box 10509 P.O. Box 5247 State College, PA 16805-0509 Eugene, OR 97405 503/683-6197 Family Tree Potomac Area Lifestyles (Pals) c/o Earle Robinson 509 East 42nd Street R.R. 2, Box 759 Baltimore, MD 21218-1202 Center Barnstead, NH 03225 Tri-State Polyamory Beyond Monogamy Inc. úÿ úÿ(Continued from last message) P.O. Box 625 P.O. Box 907 New Providence, NJ 07974-0625 Morley, WA 6062? AUSTRALIA net: hardy@panix.com Alternatives to Monogamy South Bay Intinet P.O. Box 4172 P.O. Box 70203 Wheaton, IL 60189-4172 Sunnyvale, CA 94086 (708) 510-7027 (408) 730-9622 Pali Paths Glendower P.O. Box 22586 P.O. Box 520291 Honolulu, HI 96823 Independance, MO 64052 (808) 239-6824 email: DWEST@delphi.com email: hwhite@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu Family Synergy Loving Alternatives P.O. Box 2668 P.O. Box 1322 Culver City, CA 90231 Greenwood, IN 46142 email: poly@holli.com All of the above organizations are for people interested in poly relations rather than aimed towards swinging. The following are for swingers and may be more friendly towards "cruising". P.O. Box 7128 P.O. Box 459 Buena Park, CA 90622 San Dimas, CA 91773 Most of these groups will send you information if you submit a self- addressed stamped envelope. The former IRC and PEP have merged to become the Abundant Love Institute and are jointly publishing a magazine called _Loving More_. The magazine does include personal ads, members recieve one free, additional ads are $10 per. They also maintain a lending library of many of the above titles, both fiction and non-fiction available to members, as well as a list of local support groups. Thanks go especially to Howard Landman and the triples mailing list, and to Dr. Deborah Anapol and the people at ALI for allowing judicious use of their reviews and resources. --