Path: asustek.asus.com.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!spring.edu.tw!serv.hinet.net!news.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.pcwnet.com!johnpcw From: johnpcw@pcwnet.com (John) Newsgroups: alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus,alt.sys.pc-clone.dell,alt.sys.pc-clone.micron,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips Subject: Re: ASUS vs. "the cheap boards" Followup-To: alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus,alt.sys.pc-clone.dell,alt.sys.pc-clone.micron,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips Date: 14 Jul 1996 13:27:27 GMT Organization: PCW Internet Services (Info: 718-937-0381) Lines: 35 Message-ID: <4sasjv$g5f@news.pcwnet.com> References: <4rh9rs$qop@news.tamu.edu> <31E13F00.41C6@rclsgi.eng.ohio-state.edu> <31E1BB80.BBE@aa.net> <4rsm2b$7qm@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <31E21F60.3E7D@aa.net> <31e284ad.1092680@agate> <31e3e73c.12425174@news.islandnet.com> <01bb6f0e.cd4b25a0$0cc428cf@#samgm> <4s3c5g$4aj@news.interlog.com> <31e68839.14416942@news.islandnet.com> <4s7l30$9df@news.interlog.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bass.pcwnet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: asustek.asus.com.tw alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus:13655 alt.sys.pc-clone.dell:4734 alt.sys.pc-clone.micron:6393 comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems:21852 comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips:53852 Gerald Mori (britec@interlog.com) wrote: : rkcowan@islandnet.com (R. Kent Cowan) wrote: : >On Thu, 11 Jul 1996 17:01:24 GMT, britec@interlog.com (Gerald Mori) : >wrote: : >I paid a premium for my Asus PVI-SP3 from a dealer that claimed it had : >the best customer service in town (and at one time, it may have). I : >went through four of these boards, with an average wait time for : >replacement of one month (and as long as two months). So, you can't : >really depend on a dealer to make good, and if the suppliers aren't : >concerned with offering any support, or even lie to their end users : >(as Asus did with me), then you're just as well off buying an : >el-cheapo board. : >...Kent : Well, that's my point, sort of. If I sell an Asus board and it : chokes, I replace it promptly. I know of other resellers who don't. : A friend of mine was burned by one of these guys. Now he's to the : point where he doesn't mind paying a little extra for hardware because : he knows I will support it as I've already fixed a few of the other : dealer's screwups for him. If I sell something that turns out to be : defective I purchase a replacement and deliver it to the customer. I am wondering what happen to the defective boards you recived from your customers. Let me guess ! You fix it and sell to the next customer ?? : It's then my responsibilty to see that the unit they had gets repaired : or replaced. At that point I may have extra boards or whatever on my : hands but it usually gets sold after not too long. johnpcw@pcwnet.com Path: asustek.asus.com.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!spring.edu.tw!serv.hinet.net!news.wildstar.net!imci5!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!news.ece.uc.edu!babbage.ece.uc.edu!root From: Sean Kellner Newsgroups: comp.publish.cdrom.hardware,comp.periphs.scsi,alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus Subject: CDR writing lockup. Sony, EZ CD & Win95. Date: 13 Jul 1996 15:08:37 -0400 Organization: University of Cincinnati Lines: 126 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: detroit.occ.uc.edu X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.2.25/XEmacs 19.14 Xref: asustek.asus.com.tw comp.publish.cdrom.hardware:7373 comp.periphs.scsi:17402 alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus:13656 I purchased a S&F bundle from MediaSource a while ago and have successfully written maybe 5 CD's. Unfortunately, I can no longer recreate this feat. Here is as much information as I can gather that I think is relevant. If anyone can give any info, I'd greatly appreciate it. I am also trying with tech support, but realize that there is usually a good response on the newsgroups so here I am. It's a wierd one. Hardware: CDR: Sony 920S. Firmware version 2.0c MB: ASUS P54TP4. BIOS 2.02 SCSI1: ASUS SC-200. BIOS 3.07 SCSI2: Adaptec 1505. HD1: Fujitsu M2651S-512. Rev 010P HD2: OEM IBM DFHS 32160. Rev 4B4B CD: Toshiba XM-3601TA. Rev 1885. BIOS is the July '95 update SCSI Chain: SCSI1:--:HD2:--:CD:--HD1 The HD1 is definitely terminated, active termination even. The SCSI1 I am not so sure about, the ASUS manual says to remove a jumper to enable termination. Messing around with it leads me to beleive otherwise, and it wouldn't be the first mistake in the manual. Anyone have a definite answer as to how to terminate the SC-200? I believe it is also terminated. Other chain is simply: SCSI2:--:CDR SCSI2 is permanantly terminated, the resistors are in the CDR terminating it passively. Only cards in the computer are: SCSI1&2 (SC-200 and the Adaptec), Diamond Stealth 64. Thats it. Both IDE channels are disabled in BIOS. There is a floppy drive. The HD2 is a recent addition, and the SCSI1, HD1, CD and a SCSI Zip drive have gotten month long uptimes under Linux, so I am sure the hardware is fine. The problems did not change with the addition of HD2. Software: Format disk and install DOS. Boot into DOS 6.21, run Windows 95 Setup to install. Choose Compact install and no optional components are installed. Set the display adapter driver to VGA, as well as the monitor. Got to keep it easy. Then ran sysedit and removed all the lines from config.sys and autoexec.bat. Also figured I'd turn off "Auto insert notification" on the CD while I was here. Installed EZ SCSI Lite. It sees SCSI2 and gives the following info: On ID 6 is a WORM drive, name is wierd. Vendor ID: SINU, except the I has two dots over it and the U have a slash over it. Product ID: CA-O ADO90O, except the first A has two dots over it, the first O has a tilde over it, as does the second A and the second O. The 9 has a superscipt 2 on it, and the last O has a slash over it. I put a disc in the CDR, its real info is 440 MB and 2048 bytes/sector. The info in this drive says: 1495 Meg and 2176 bytes/sector. Lists features as being Sync Mode and SCSI Linking. Hitting the eject button works. Installed EZ CD Pro 95, and it obviously doesnt see a CDR. System info shows no conflicts with SCSI2. I have it set to IRQ 12 and address of 0140-015F. Driver is C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\IOSUBSYS\SPARROW.MPD and the version info is blank. This is the driver Win 95 has installed for it. That pretty much stumps me. The cable is on correctly, and theres not much to do. I tried hooking the CD up, and the results were similar. Odd. So then I removed SCSI2, took the resistors out of CDR and inserted it in the middle of the SCSI1 chain. Booted into Win 95 and ran EZ CD Pro. I already have a session to burn (63 minutes of audio, disk at once). Let it rip. First thing thats odd is that at 0:06 into the first song, every time, it pauses for maybe 2 minutes. The CDR has its LED flash and after a (long) while it continues on just fine. A previous attempt at this disc passed the speed check and started writing. About 20 minutes into the write, it locked. It also did the pause at 0:06 and sounded fine at that segment. I have tried this maybe 20 times now, twice it has made it through the speed test and into the write, and locked up there. It doesnt always lock up at the same place, and it usually ejects the CD. Ctrl-Alt-Del does nothing, and a reset is necessary. No error log file in the EZ CD dir. Adaptec says it sounds like a hardware error. I currently have both sides of the bus actively terminated, I think. Again, depends on how you are supposed to terminate the SC-200. The SCSI cable was in question so I went back to my old cable. Put the HD1 and the CDR on the chain, went for a speed test and it did the same thing. So how do I test for correct setup? How do I see if a device is emitting too much noise? I guess I should remove HD1 and setup HD2 for Win 95. I guess I can scrap Linux for a while until I get this thing working. Sorry about the long post. If you have any info, please email. If it sounds like it will be usefull to several people, go ahead and post. I do read these groups and don't just bother everyone to post. To make life even more fun, I am replacing the MB & CPU RSN. Anyone can diagnose problems when the situation stays the same. :) In short, I have 3 big problems: 1> How do you terminate a ASUS SC-200? 2> Whats it mean when device names and some info is wacky like on the Adaptec? 3> What is wrong or what else must I do to diagnose the big SCSI chain? Yea, I have tried the SC-200 with the jumper on and off, lock up both ways currently. -- Sean Kellner skellner@ddt.eng.uc.edu Path: asustek.asus.com.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!spring.edu.tw!serv.hinet.net!news.uoregon.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!news.ruhr-uni-bochum.de!news.rwth-aachen.de!news From: rabe@RWTH-Aachen.DE (Ralf G. R. Bergs) Newsgroups: comp.publish.cdrom.hardware,comp.periphs.scsi,alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus Subject: Re: CDR writing lockup. Sony, EZ CD & Win95. Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 16:01:49 +0200 Organization: Aachen University of Technology, Aachen, Germany (RWTH Aachen) Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: messua.informatik.rwth-aachen.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Xref: asustek.asus.com.tw comp.publish.cdrom.hardware:7374 comp.periphs.scsi:17403 alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus:13657 In article , Sean Kellner wrote: [...] : 1> How do you terminate a ASUS SC-200? V1.2: REMOVE jumper JP5. : 2> Whats it mean when device names and some info is wacky like on : the Adaptec? In my experience incorrect termination and/or bad cabling. : Yea, I have tried the SC-200 with the jumper on and off, lock up : both ways currently. This doesn't help you, but an acquaintance of a friend of mine had some very bad problems with a Sony CD-writer connected to a SC-200. He finally returned the writer. -- Ralf G. R. Bergs * Hueckeswagener Str. 42 * 51647 Gummersbach * Germany phone/fax: +49 2261 {919540,21968} * rabe@rwth-aachen.de (e-mail) * Team OS/2 Earth is flat, pigs can fly, and nuclear power is safe. (Greenpeace) NOTE new phone no.: +49-2261-919540 (fax no. unchanged) Path: asustek.asus.com.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!spring.edu.tw!serv.hinet.net!news.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!insync!uuneo.neosoft.com!news.uh.edu!uhcl2.cl.uh.edu!csci38ec From: 0 xor 1 Newsgroups: alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus,alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.tyan,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc Subject: Re: 50% to 400% speed improvement in Intel MMX Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 11:17:25 CST Organization: University of Houston Lines: 98 Message-ID: References: <31D21134.1AF9@echo-on.net> <4r9f5s$vq1@thor.atcon.com> <4s44oc$ih1@news.onramp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: uhcl2.cl.uh.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: CSCI38EC@cl.uh.edu In-Reply-To: <4s44oc$ih1@news.onramp.net> Xref: asustek.asus.com.tw alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus:13658 comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy:75445 comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy:20572 comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc:89151 On Fri, 12 Jul 1996, Butts and Briefs wrote: > > > PLEASE READ THIS AND CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG. > BUT SOMEONE HAD TO SAY SOMETHING. > Everything *you* wrote, Butts and Briefs, is 100% correct. Thank you for setting this straight. The original poster, Vic Healy, is a Microsoft bigot and 'shill'. The only reason he wrote the original post is for the same reason he writes any post... he has a chip on his shoulder and takes every opportunity he can to take stabs at (in this order) 1. OS/2, 2. IBM, 3. Anything remotely related to the IBM corporation. Given this fact, I would view anything he writes with extreme caution, because every word he writes has a ton of anti-IBM bias connected to it; and therefore has a high probability of not being the full truth, or not truthful at all. > >Q7. What kind of performance benefit does MMX technology provide? > >A7. Our simulations indicate that certain types of multimedia and > >communications software will run from 50 percent to 400 percent faster > >when developers take advantage of MMX technology. Actual performance > >improvements will depend on the degree to which an application can take > >advantage of MMX technology instructions. Applications that make little > >use of multimedia and communications data types would receive little > >benefit from MMX technology. > > All speculation on the upcoming MMX Intel processors remains moot to > the point that there is not existing software applications which will > depend on MMX enhanced code for increased performance. As Intel > plainly states only certain types of multimedia and comm apps will > take advantage and only "WHEN" developers take advantage of MMX > technology, translation when existing apps are MMX coded. Further > tranlation, your normal everyday apps, OS, will still run at the prior > performance level with NO benefit in speed. So what is the sum of your > benefit in performance increase? (0) zilch > > >Therefore it is logical that > > >if one ponders that there is a 50% to 400% speed improvement in Intel MMX > >enabled applications then its a dead end issue of buying an hot IBM Cyrix > >chip for a few dollars less to run old 16 bit applications. Why would any > >sane person do it? To me the issue is similar to 'why buy OS/2 Warp to > >run old dos apps and old win 3.x apps'? That branch from the mainstream > >isn't of much value to 97% of normal PC users. > > Your logic is severely flawed in that you are assuming that all apps > from the point of MMX chip release will become MMX enhanced and that > you will actually ever see a "400%" speed improvement to your overall > system as Intel clearly states only to some multimedia and comm apps. > If multimedia and comm are your only apps than go for it. > > Furthermore, the Cyrix processors are not designed to run OS/2(where > you got that idea is beyond me) or any old 16 bit software although > they do this quiet well. In fact the Cyrix processors are closer in > architecture with more features that more closely emulate the > architecture of the Pentium Pro such as speculative branch execution > and therefore continue to perform well beyond the Intel Pentium of > similar speed even in true 32-bit environments such as NT. The Cyrix > processor is capable of running both 16 and 32 environments > exceptionally well. > > The only reason Intel is hyping MMX is that vendors are hoping to make > a quick buck by reducing the power of existing peripherals such as > video cards and modems and relying on the MMX code to push the > performance of multimedia(processor intensive apps when pushing > millions of pixels/second) without having to add stuff like a 64bit > video card with fast RAM. > > >The simple fact is that mainstream new PC technology is from Intel and > >Microsoft not IBM. > > Where the hell does IBM come into the picture? Cyrix is its own > company which currently has a contract for the production of the the > Cyrix processors from IBM. Full scale production of this processor > was not feasible by Cyrix so they contracted IBM for the production of > their chips, they couldn't ask Intel to make their chips for obvious > reasons but this does not mean IBM designed this chip and is SUPPOSED > to run on OS/2!!? > > > Therefore there is no excuse for > >uninformed posts on MMX. > > I think you should take your own advice and get informed before you > spill your little bag of beans regarding MMX or any other subject.>-- > > > > Path: asustek.asus.com.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!spring.edu.tw!serv.hinet.net!news.wildstar.net!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!spool.mu.edu!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!news.inc.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!news.ece.uc.edu!babbage.ece.uc.edu!root From: Sean Kellner Newsgroups: comp.publish.cdrom.hardware,comp.periphs.scsi,alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus Subject: Re: CDR writing lockup. Sony, EZ CD & Win95. Date: 14 Jul 1996 13:23:11 -0400 Organization: University of Cincinnati Lines: 44 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: boston.occ.uc.edu X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.2.25/XEmacs 19.14 Xref: asustek.asus.com.tw comp.publish.cdrom.hardware:7376 comp.periphs.scsi:17404 alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus:13659 rabe@RWTH-Aachen.DE (Ralf G. R. Bergs) writes: > > In article , > Sean Kellner wrote: > [...] > : 1> How do you terminate a ASUS SC-200? > > V1.2: REMOVE jumper JP5. OK, thanks. Now I have one less variable to play with. > > : 2> Whats it mean when device names and some info is wacky like on > : the Adaptec? > > In my experience incorrect termination and/or bad cabling. > The Adaptec card says it's permanantly terminated. The Sony 920S uses a couple of resistor packs to terminate itself with. Funny, I have only tried the cable that came with the bundle, and never tried a cable that I know works. Got to try that tonight. > : Yea, I have tried the SC-200 with the jumper on and off, lock up > : both ways currently. > > This doesn't help you, but an acquaintance of a friend of mine had > some very bad problems with a Sony CD-writer connected to a SC-200. He > finally returned the writer. > Care to elaborate? Are the problems similar? In looking through previous threads I see people complaining of no ASPI support in Win 95 on the NCR cards. If that were true in my situation, the Easy CD Pro 95 would not recognize that I have a buner, no? Thanks for the info, I'll have this thing working RSN. At least whats left of my hair hopes so. :) -- Sean Kellner skellner@ddt.eng.uc.edu Path: asustek.asus.com.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!spring.edu.tw!serv.hinet.net!news.wildstar.net!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!nntp.coast.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!agate!boulder!usenet From: rsmith@psych.colorado.edu (Roderick W. Smith) Newsgroups: comp.periphs.scsi,alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus Subject: Re: Good NCR/Symbios 53c825 board wanted Date: 13 Jul 1996 21:26:47 GMT Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4s94an$fhu@lace.colorado.edu> References: <4s1n4d$j1f@lace.colorado.edu> <31E46AA1.E92@blkbox.com> <31E7591C.4284@interaccess.com><4s1n4d$j1f@lace.colorado.edu> <31E46AA1.E92@blkbox.com> <31E7591C.4284@interaccess.com> <1996Jul13.122523.14083@jarvis.cs.toronto.edu> Reply-To: rsmith@psych.colorado.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: tele-anx0201.colorado.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Newsreader: NeoLogic News for OS/2 [version: 4.5d] Xref: asustek.asus.com.tw comp.periphs.scsi:17405 alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus:13660 In message <1996Jul13.122523.14083@jarvis.cs.toronto.edu> - billy@eecg.toronto.edu (Vi Chi Chan)13 Jul 96 16:25:24 GMT writes: > > It is correct, Tyan card only has 50-pin external connector, > internally, it has BOTH 50 and 68 pin, > I don't know if it is possible to use a short cable to "bring" the > 68 pin connector outside.. (kind of like what you do with those > on-board COM port connectors) or would the wiring in the card prevent > you to do this?? (since the card should be in the middle of the SCSI > chain if you have both internal and external device?) It's certainly possible to do this with 50-pin Fast SCSI-2 controllers; in fact, I've seen such cables for sale. I don't see why it wouldn't be possible with this board. Some controllers with three connectors, though, only let the user use two of them, and that might become an issue in this case. Still, if you needed both internal and external 50-pin SCSI devices and external (and, optionally, internal) 68-pin Wide SCSI-2 devices, you could use the same trick for BOTH connectors. Something of a kludge, but it should, in theory, work. +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Rod Smith Author of: | | RSMITH@PSYCH.COLORADO.EDU "Should I Buy OS/2" FAQ | | http://psych.colorado.edu/~rsmith "OS/2 Soundcard Summary" | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ Path: asustek.asus.com.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!spring.edu.tw!serv.hinet.net!news.wildstar.net!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!nntp.coast.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news.mathworks.com!news.PBI.net!cbgw3.att.com!rutgers!utcsri!eecg.toronto.edu!billy Newsgroups: comp.periphs.scsi,alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus From: billy@eecg.toronto.edu (Vi Chi Chan) Subject: Re: Good NCR/Symbios 53c825 board wanted X-Nntp-Posting-Host: zeep.eecg.toronto.edu Message-ID: <1996Jul13.122523.14083@jarvis.cs.toronto.edu> Organization: Department of Computer Engineering, University of Toronto References: <4s1n4d$j1f@lace.colorado.edu> <31E46AA1.E92@blkbox.com> <31E7591C.4284@interaccess.com> Date: 13 Jul 96 16:25:24 GMT Lines: 45 Xref: asustek.asus.com.tw comp.periphs.scsi:17406 alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus:13661 In article <31E7591C.4284@interaccess.com>, Mr. Who wrote: >Mark Boster wrote: >> >> > motherboard and so need a new controller). Does the Tyan Yorktown meet these >> > requirements? What's a reliable source for such a board? Thanks in advance. >> Yes the Tyan meets or exceeds your specifications. Termination is controlled by >> jumpers on the board. There are an 50 and 68 pin internal connectors and an external >> 68 pin connector. Chipset is NCR825. >> >> See www.symbios.com for drivers and www.tyan.com for info on the card. >> >> I have one and it works well for me. > >I can't argue with what mark is posting and what external connector >is actually on his Tyan Yorktown (S1365) .... but according to Tyan's >own documentation the external connector is 50 pin NOT 68 pin. Check >out this URL: http://www.tyan.com/s1365.htm > >I didn't buy the Tyan card for this reason. Now, if Tyan's >documentation is incorrect .... I am quite upset in paying an >additional $40 for a card that does have an external 68 pin connector >and is documented properly. > > >-- >+---------------------------------------+ >| Mr. Who is: | >| jkotches@interaccess.com (Personally) | >| johnk@sigg.com (Professionally) | >| | >| So sayeth Dilbert: | >| Technology is no place for wimps! | >+---------------------------------------+ I just got the Tyan card. It is correct, Tyan card only has 50-pin external connector, internally, it has BOTH 50 and 68 pin, I don't know if it is possible to use a short cable to "bring" the 68 pin connector outside.. (kind of like what you do with those on-board COM port connectors) or would the wiring in the card prevent you to do this ?? (since the card should be in the middle of the SCSI chain if you have both internal and external device?) billy chan Path: asustek.asus.com.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!spring.edu.tw!serv.hinet.net!news.wildstar.net!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!nntp.coast.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!ddi2.digital.net!news From: obie@digital.net (Tom Obringer) Newsgroups: comp.periphs.scsi,alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus Subject: Re: Good NCR/Symbios 53c825 board wanted Date: 13 Jul 1996 16:02:03 GMT Organization: FLORIDA ONLINE, Florida's Premier Internet Provider Lines: 28 Message-ID: <4s8h9r$jr0@ddi2.digital.net> References: <4s1n4d$j1f@lace.colorado.edu> <31E46AA1.E92@blkbox.com> <31E7591C.4284@interaccess.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm1_16.digital.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 Xref: asustek.asus.com.tw comp.periphs.scsi:17407 alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus:13662 >>I can't argue with what mark is posting and what external connector >is actually on his Tyan Yorktown (S1365) .... but according to Tyan's >own documentation the external connector is 50 pin NOT 68 pin. Check >out this URL: http://www.tyan.com/s1365.htm I also have the Yorktown and the external connector is definitely 50 pins. Mark may have been fooled because it is a 50 pin mini connector like on SUNs and the Jaz drive. If you want to use wide drives you have to use them internally or some how route a cable out of the case. It is a nice controller though and the price is right $95 at RCSi. > >I didn't buy the Tyan card for this reason. Now, if Tyan's >documentation is incorrect .... I am quite upset in paying an >additional $40 for a card that does have an external 68 pin connector >and is documented properly. > > >-- >+---------------------------------------+ >| Mr. Who is: | >| jkotches@interaccess.com (Personally) | >| johnk@sigg.com (Professionally) | >| | >| So sayeth Dilbert: | >| Technology is no place for wimps! | >+---------------------------------------+ Path: asustek.asus.com.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!spring.edu.tw!serv.hinet.net!news.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.pcwnet.com!johnpcw From: johnpcw@pcwnet.com (John) Newsgroups: alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus,alt.sys.pc-clone.dell,alt.sys.pc-clone.micron,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips Subject: Re: ASUS vs. "the cheap boards" Followup-To: alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus,alt.sys.pc-clone.dell,alt.sys.pc-clone.micron,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips Date: 14 Jul 1996 16:11:45 GMT Organization: PCW Internet Services (Info: 718-937-0381) Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4sb681$ge4@news.pcwnet.com> References: <4rh9rs$qop@news.tamu.edu> <31E13F00.41C6@rclsgi.eng.ohio-state.edu> <31E1BB80.BBE@aa.net> <4rsm2b$7qm@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <31E21F60.3E7D@aa.net> <31e284ad.1092680@agate> <31e3e73c.12425174@news.islandnet.com> <01bb6f0e.cd4b25a0$0cc428cf@#samgm> <4s3c5g$4aj@news.interlog.com> <31e68839.14416942@news.islandnet.com> <4s7l30$9df@news.interlog.com> <4sasjv$g5f@news.pcwnet.com> <31e907f9.18201813@news.ice.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: bass.pcwnet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: asustek.asus.com.tw alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus:13663 alt.sys.pc-clone.dell:4738 alt.sys.pc-clone.micron:6394 comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems:21858 comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips:53882 Matthew McDonald (matthew@sv.net.au) wrote: : johnpcw@pcwnet.com (John) wrote: : >: Well, that's my point, sort of. If I sell an Asus board and it : >: chokes, I replace it promptly. I know of other resellers who don't. : >: A friend of mine was burned by one of these guys. Now he's to the : >: point where he doesn't mind paying a little extra for hardware because : >: he knows I will support it as I've already fixed a few of the other : >: dealer's screwups for him. If I sell something that turns out to be : >: defective I purchase a replacement and deliver it to the customer. : > : >I am wondering what happen to the defective boards you recived from your : >customers. Let me guess ! You fix it and sell to the next customer ?? : What else is he going to do with it?? He can't afford to sell it as : 2nd hand. Motherboards are NOT fixed except at the manufacturer and : this is rare, the motherboard is replaced so whats the problem? All : the customers are getting new boards. You can't call a repaired board a NEW board. If a dealer is ethical, he would sell RMA repaired boards as second hand goods for lower price. : It's the only way to do business. No, it's your ways of doing business. johnpcw@pcwnet.com Path: asustek.asus.com.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!spring.edu.tw!serv.hinet.net!news.uoregon.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!newsflash.concordia.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!antares!umliu020 From: umliu020@cc.umanitoba.ca (Lily Ruo Yu Liu) Newsgroups: alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus,alt.sys.pc-clone.dell,alt.sys.pc-clone.micron,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips Subject: Re: ASUS vs. "the cheap boards" Date: 14 Jul 96 18:03:06 GMT Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <4rh9rs$qop@news.tamu.edu> <31E13F00.41C6@rclsgi.eng.ohio-state.edu> <31E1BB80.BBE@aa.net> <4rsm2b$7qm@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <31E21F60.3E7D@aa.net> <31e284ad.1092680@agate> <31e3e73c.12425174@news.islandnet.com> <01bb6f0e.cd4b25a0$0cc428cf@# NNTP-Posting-Host: antares.cc.umanitoba.ca X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #2 (NOV) Xref: asustek.asus.com.tw alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus:13664 alt.sys.pc-clone.dell:4739 alt.sys.pc-clone.micron:6395 comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems:21860 comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips:53896 In <4sb681$ge4@news.pcwnet.com> johnpcw@pcwnet.com (John) writes: >: >I am wondering what happen to the defective boards you recived from your >: >customers. Let me guess ! You fix it and sell to the next customer ?? >: What else is he going to do with it?? He can't afford to sell it as >: 2nd hand. Motherboards are NOT fixed except at the manufacturer and >: this is rare, the motherboard is replaced so whats the problem? All >: the customers are getting new boards. >You can't call a repaired board a NEW board. If a dealer is ethical, he >would sell RMA repaired boards as second hand goods for lower price. No, actually the correct definitions are: repaired board cannot consider NEW or "second hand", it is called refurbished. Also most dealer will not fix the motherboard themselves AFAIK. They usually ship it back to the manufacturer for repair/retest. aC -- Path: asustek.asus.com.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!spring.edu.tw!serv.hinet.net!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsreader.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-22.sprintlink.net!server1.nw.ixe.net!server1.adam.ixe.net!wirehub!newsgate.cistron.nl!news.cistron.nl!usenet From: compunet@cistron.nl (Paul Kooistra) Newsgroups: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt,alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus,alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.tyan,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,misc.forsale.computers.other.misc,misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.motherboards Subject: Re: Finding a good PC case Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 19:58:36 GMT Organization: Cistron Internet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4sbjif$c8t@enterprise.cistron.nl> References: <4j7s78$1r5@daily-planet.execpc.com> <31e08f15.290587671@news.microfone.net> <4ruj54$pr4@news.nettap.com> <31e310e9.454905536@news.microfone.net> <31e47b93.547750997@news.microfone.net> <4s7hh1$t43@taurus.adnc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p38.alp.cistron.nl X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: asustek.asus.com.tw alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus:13665 comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc:16317 chita@adnc.com wrote: >damaged by poor case support too. Even something as trivial as the >way drives fit into the spaces, the way buttons and wiring holes are >made -- those things make a difference. The Dust Bunny That Ate >Chicago can also eat your expensive optical whatsis if it's allowed to >roam inside the case. (Look inside a few cases - you'll know what I >mean.) One thing I always do when a secretary calls with a technical problem, is open up the case of the computer (and of course, she is standing around to peek at the inside - every non-tech person is curious about what actually is to be found on the inside of that box), look at the accumulated dust, blow inside to get a nice cloud, and look at them accusingly while saying: 'Don't you EVER clean this thing on the inside?' ....They get all red and start to stutter..... Paul Kooistra compunet@cistron.nl Path: asustek.asus.com.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!spring.edu.tw!serv.hinet.net!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!gatech!BellSouth!csulb.edu!drivel.ics.uci.edu!severus-alexander.ics.uci.edu!hchou From: "8> Henry C" Newsgroups: alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus,alt.sys.pc-clone.dell,alt.sys.pc-clone.micron,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips Subject: Re: ASUS vs. "the cheap boards" = Lexus vs. Kia Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 12:30:33 -0700 Organization: University of California, Irvine - ICS Lines: 1 Message-ID: References: <4rh9rs$qop@news.tamu.edu> <31E13F00.41C6@rclsgi.eng.ohio-state.edu> <31E1BB80.BBE@aa.net> <4rsm2b$7qm@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com> <31E21F60.3E7D@aa.net> <31e284ad.1092680@agate> <31e3e73c.12425174@news.islandnet.com> <01bb6f0e.cd4b25a0$0cc428cf@# NNTP-Posting-Host: severus-alexander.ics.uci.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: Xref: asustek.asus.com.tw alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus:13666 alt.sys.pc-clone.dell:4740 alt.sys.pc-clone.micron:6396 comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems:21863 comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips:53904 title says it. Why compare? Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 12:23:02 -0500 From: "BliZZard" Subject: Asus P55T2P4 & Stealth 3D Lockups Newsgroups: alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.video,misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.motherboards Message-ID: <01bb71a9.1c41b2e0$2add98ce@sstai.usinternet.com> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1080 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.152.221.42 Lines: 4 Path: asustek.asus.com.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!spring.edu.tw!serv.hinet.net!news.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.usinternet.com! Xref: asustek.asus.com.tw alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus:13667 comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.video:40875 Has anyone had problems with lock-ups and Fatal Errors from this combo? Or with Diamond cards in general since I guess they use some memory addresses that others don't. If anyon has any solutions let me know. Path: asustek.asus.com.tw!voyager.iii.org.tw!spring.edu.tw!serv.hinet.net!news.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!ratty.wolfe.net!news.aa.net!usenet From: Dave Reed Newsgroups: alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus,alt.sys.pc-clone.dell,alt.sys.pc-clone.micron,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips Subject: Re: Jose CID / *FALSE* post Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 12:38:08 -0700 Organization: The CrossRoads, Puyallup, WA, USA Lines: 11 Message-ID: <31E94CA0.3914@aa.net> References: <31d0d338.12016497@news.tiac.net> <4rb6j3$dkk@madeline.INS.CWRU.Edu> <4rdrru$n2n@madeline.INS.CWRU.Edu> <4rh7it$27l@madeline.INS.CWRU.Edu> <31E3DB8F.1AB2@asuvm.inre.asu.edu> <4s39kt$kf9@madeline.INS.CWRU.Edu> <31e732cd.48616749@nntp.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lennon-c15.aa.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b5Gold (Win95; I) Xref: asustek.asus.com.tw alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus:13668 alt.sys.pc-clone.dell:4741 alt.sys.pc-clone.micron:6397 comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.systems:21866 comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.chips:53917 Fisher12@ix.netcom.com wrote: > God how I look forward to your posts Venkat. None of my friends would > believe me when I told them about you ( they thought I was making > you up) they said no ones that stupid.But now that they know your for > real, no one wants to miss the next episode of the Venkat show. Hell I > hear Hollywood calling your name. Venkat provides a lot of laughs... he and his "unknown twin" Terry Ortman in the misc.forsale.computers.storage newsgroup. Between the two of them, I get more than a daily dose of humor every day! :-))