NORETURN.TXT This is the "Forest of No Return." If you remember the song from Disney's movie, "Toyland," you'll remember that "once you bumble in, once you stumble in, you can not get out!" This IS a toughie! I couldn't beat it until I added the mage's tower, and then it took 3 hours and 470 kills to win! I'm interested in how long it takes you to beat - why don't you EMail me your results? You'll find you're facing six Orc tribes. Five of them are actively out to beat on you. What makes this so tough is that while you're pacifying a part of the map, a hitherto unknown tribe will suddenly appear and burn your village. (I lost one of my three villages in my win.) You don't lose right away... the orcs let you sweat a while before getting dangerous. My advice is to locate and completely destroy at least two tribes with your initial army. And if one of those is not the purple tribe, you're going to see more dragons than you want to deal with! If you're really macho, delete the Tower from your setup in your editor and replay. I expect you'll find you need those guys in robes, to survive! Don't be surprised when the game gets slow, and you get messages that you can't create a new unit. This scenario will max out the number of units the programmers provided for in the game. What you do then is kill Orcs lavishly, so there are new openings for your troops to be built. Let me hear your comments! Mark Smith 71165,2411