r #: 12527 (H) S11/Applications/Utils 30-Aug-89 19:45:41 Sb: #TCP/IP Gateways Fm: Darrell Cheatham 76701,44 To: anyone We have a TCP/IP Internet - are there any products that would allow us to login to a Novell File Server over this Internet? I've heard of a Micom TCP/IP Gateway...any comments?? I also downloaded IPX-IP.txt, has anyone purchased this product - and if so - does it let you logon over the internet? Thanks, *** There are replies: 12587, 12606, 12837, 12901, 12950 Press for next or type CHOICES !rr #: 12587 (H) S11/Applications/Utils 30-Aug-89 23:28:30 Sb: #12527-TCP/IP Gateways Fm: Dennis Beach 75400,327 To: Darrell Cheatham 76701,44 (X) Micom which is now Interlan Gateway only supports access from the LAN to the TCP/IP system. It does not support accessing the LAN. *** Reading Replies to 12527 Press for next or type CHOICES ! #: 12606 (H) S11/Applications/Utils 31-Aug-89 01:49:01 Sb: #12527-#TCP/IP Gateways Fm: Patrick Corrigan 75170,146 To: Darrell Cheatham 76701,44 (X) NetWare 386 will eventually allow TCP/IP (and other protocols) to be a peer to IPX/SPX. I'm not sure what this means about Internet access to NetWare servers, but maybe someone from Novell could comment. Patrick *** There is a reply: 12838 *** Reading Replies to 12527 Press for next or type CHOICES ! #: 12838 (H) S11/Applications/Utils 01-Sep-89 04:51:09 Sb: #12606-TCP/IP Gateways Fm: Jason Lamb [Novell] 76247,2301 To: Patrick Corrigan 75170,146 (X) NW386 will eventually support multiple network protocols in the server, so that, in the case of TCP/IP, TCP/IP workstations can access the Netware server. (The likely use of this would be in conjunction with some type of NFS NLM which would allow TCP/IP-NFS machines to communicate with the Netware server via TCP/IP, and do a NFS mount of the Netware drive on their machine) -jl- *** Reading Replies to 12527 Press for next or type CHOICES ! #: 12837 (H) S11/Applications/Utils 01-Sep-89 04:50:52 Sb: #12527-TCP/IP Gateways Fm: Jason Lamb [Novell] 76247,2301 To: Darrell Cheatham 76701,44 (X) Both commercial, and public domain products that run TCP/IP and IPX simultaneously at a PC workstation are for connecting to both Netware and TCP/IP hosts. You use IPX to connect to a Netware server, and TCP/IP to connect to a TCP/IP host. The Micom gateway lets a Netware server run the TCP/IP to a TCP/IP host FOR another PC workstation. You say that you have a TCP/IP internet. What you need to explore is some type of product that will let you route IPX packets over your internet. Like bridges/routers/brouters etc. -jl- *** Reading Replies to 12527 Press for next or type CHOICES ! #: 12901 (H) S11/Applications/Utils 01-Sep-89 12:02:13 Sb: #12527-#TCP/IP Gateways Fm: Darrell Cheatham 76701,44 To: Darrell Cheatham 76701,44 (X) Jason, That is what I am looking for...Do You know of any products that support that type of bridge/routing ?? I'm especilly interested in a SW solution, one that would use to etherlink cards in a Novell File Server, 1 running IPX and the other routing TCP/IP. I'd be happy to leave a phone number/mailing address to get the info. Thanks --- *** There are replies: 12970, 12986, 13340 *** Reading Replies to 12527 Press for next or type CHOICES ! #: 12970 (H) S11/Applications/Utils 01-Sep-89 17:26:17 Sb: #12901-TCP/IP Gateways Fm: Patrick Corrigan 75170,146 To: Darrell Cheatham 76701,44 (X) If I'm reading the information correctly, NetWare 386 should eventually provde that capability directly. Patrick *** Reading Replies to 12527 Press for next or type CHOICES ! #: 12986 (H) S11/Applications/Utils 01-Sep-89 19:56:38 Sb: #12901-TCP/IP Gateways Fm: Jason Lamb [Novell] 76247,2301 To: Darrell Cheatham 76701,44 (X) Darrell, If your intent is to stick a PC workstation somewhere on your TCP/IP internet, and have it be able to establish a connection to a Netware server, then the internet has to route both TCP/IP packets, (what it does now), and IPX packets. The product you need, depends on the configuration of your internet. If you have no bridges/routers/brouters between your intended WS location, and your intended server, you might not need anything. If you do have one of the aformentioned products then it needs to route both IPX and TCP/IP packets. (CISCO was pointed out by someone else in this thread and is just such an example..) You might be able to do it with Netware bridges, but if your internet is a common one, it would be very difficult. Having TCP/IP supported on an Etherlink card in your Netware server, buys you nothing. You would need some type of TCP/IP Netware shell for your PC, that could establish a connection with the server using TCP/IP. That would also require some type of software on the server as well. To my knowlegde there is no such product. -jl- *** Reading Replies to 12527 Press for next or type CHOICES ! #: 13340 (H) S11/Applications/Utils 05-Sep-89 00:59:28 Sb: #12901-#TCP/IP Gateways Fm: Robert Schloss (WPCorp) 75470,2713 To: Darrell Cheatham 76701,44 (X) Darrell.... I'm not sure (I've jumped in in the middle of this conversation), but there is a program by BYU that does both TCP/IP and IPX routing through an external bridge. It allows workstations to access both IPX and TCP servers on the ethernet backbone. I'll check my notes and get back to you this week. Let me know if this is simular to what you're looking for. Robert *** There is a reply: 13474 *** Reading Replies to 12527 Press for next or type CHOICES ! #: 13474 (H) S11/Applications/Utils 05-Sep-89 16:31:09 Sb: #13340-TCP/IP Gateways Fm: Donald G. Crawford 75170,1152 To: Robert Schloss (WPCorp) 75470,2713 (X) Robert, The details are in PKT-TC.ARC in LIB 17, I do believe. Don *** Reading Replies to 12527 Press for next or type CHOICES ! #: 12950 (H) S11/Applications/Utils 01-Sep-89 14:41:14 Sb: #12527-#TCP/IP Gateways Fm: Mike Richey 76004,2032 To: Darrell Cheatham 76701,44 (X) cisco Systems Routers will pass IPX packets through their routers, as well as TCP/IP. There's a lot of overhead when using multiple protocols on the routers, and it tends to slow them down. The cisco products work very well, you can contact cisco systems at 800-553-2447, they're located in california. *** There is a reply: 13463 *** Reading Replies to 12527 Press for next or type CHOICES ! #: 13463 (H) S11/Applications/Utils 05-Sep-89 14:27:44 Sb: #12950-#TCP/IP Gateways Fm: Darrell Cheatham 76701,44 To: Mike Richey 76004,2032 (X) Thanks for the feedback.... I am looking into the cisco router option....I'll post any info I find. I have 2 Novell Networks running over Ethernet. Also running, over the same Ethernet Cables, are TCP/IP and several other protocals (XNS...). I think, I am looking for a gateway at each end to convert the IPX into TCP/IP and back again. I do have Novell File servers at each end, and am looking for some type of internal bridge that would route the local IPX stuff accross the internet to the other Novell file server. But, and external bridge may be a good solution. A dedicated PC at each end that can handle the routing/conversion. I may just have to wait for 386 - and if so thats ok. *** There is a reply: 13515 *** Reading Replies to 12527 Press for next or type CHOICES ! #: 13515 (H) S11/Applications/Utils 05-Sep-89 20:03:09 Sb: #13463-#TCP/IP Gateways Fm: Timothy Lange 75410,525 To: Darrell Cheatham 76701,44 (X) There is a West German company that sells a hardware/software solution for bridging servers via TCP/IP. It also lets PCs on the IP network to login to a Netware server. I remember the cost is $1500 for a ethernet board and software. If you want exact info reply and I will look it all up. I seem to remember a posting on the Internet by someone at Wollongong that talked about encapsulating IPX packets into IP so the IP network would act as a bridge between servers. The network programmer here thought it would be a trivial task, but has not had the time to check it out. Tim Lange Purdue U. Computing Center/MATH Bldg/West Lafayette, IN 47907/(317)494-1787 Arpanet & Bitnet=tim@j.cc.purdue.edu Easplex=>INTERNET:tim@j.cc.purdue.edu *** There is a reply: 14037 *** Reading Replies to 12527 Press for next or type CHOICES ! #: 14037 (H) S11/Applications/Utils 08-Sep-89 19:50:21 Sb: #13515-TCP/IP Gateways Fm: Brian Meek (Excelan) 73627,1671 To: Timothy Lange 75410,525 (X) I've heard of this West German company as well... but I don't have much info. I'd appreciate a pointer to them. Certainly, IPX/NCP over IP will be the best solution when offered with NetWare 386... I would guess that we'll see this first in a Portable NW implementation because it's a bit closer to being really protocol independent. Meanwhile, here's a possible kludge using TCP/IP based terminal servers and NetWare External Remote bridge software: NetWare IPX and TCP/IP Ethernet (San Jose) ---------------------------------------------------------- | | | | mux1 NW Ext. Remote Br. NW ServerA Host/IP router | 19.2K baud| | +-----------+ | (Asynch) |DDN Network | NetWare IPX and TCP/IP Ethernet (Provo) | --------------------------------------------------------------- | | | | mux2 NW Ext. Remote Br. NW ServerB Host/IP router ||||| | ||||+-----------+ |||| (19.2K baud Asynch lines from mux) |||| NetWare Access Server A "Permanent Virtual Circuit" is established between serial ports on mux1 and mux2 via TELNET protocols over TCP/IP, while NetWare Remote Bridge software uses the PVC to connect the remote LANs. This enables any NetWare client in San Jose or Provo to use attach to NetWare Server A or B. In addition, TCP/IP users in San Jose can establish TELNET sessions to mux2 ports attached to the NetWare Access Server in Provo and run NetWare/DOS applications remotely. This should all work quite easily, I'll see if I can get someone here to test. Skip Addison said the current remote bridge async driver may not support required flow control, but I don't think that all terminal servers would require it anyway. brian *** Reading Replies to 12527 Press for next or type CHOICES ! #: 15775 S2/ELS NetWare 20-Sep-89 07:45:56 Sb: ELS-I Installation Fm: John Crook [Novell] 76702,420 To: Don Singleton 76154,26 (X) ..you have to realize that for your first installation you picked the version of Netware that could be a little m