Date: Wed, 11 Jan 95 21:45 EET From: Shawn Poulson Subject: [INERTIA-TALK:862] Re: General MIDI On Mon, 9 Jan 1995, Hussam Eassa wrote: > > BTW, I since got a GUS MAX (512k). I found out that Iplay won't play mods > bigger than 500k with it. Yet CapaMOD has no such problem. I can play big > mods without a problem. Anybody out there know what's going on? You can force IPlay to work with over 512k by setting ISetup to 1024k so eventhough some samples may get chopped off from the missing GUS memory when loading up a >500k mod. CapaMOD has no such memory checking restriction. I upgraded my vanilla GUS to 1024k (from 512k) for $26 using standard DRAM and now everything works. 512k wasn't too bad but 1024k is better... -Mr. Data / Continuum ----------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jan 95 21:50 EET From: Intertex Subject: [INERTIA-TALK:866] I am using Inertia Player, and I think it is really one of the most fantactics players I ever seen. But, why it support Note-Delay effect in .MOD for- mat, and does not in .S3M? I use this effect for making 3D echoes, and it is very important for me. And, a question: Does anybody known others mailinglists that have something to do with music, mods, GUS, etc? And good FTPs? Thanks. Later! Javier Sobrino ----------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jan 95 23:36 EET From: Shawn Poulson Subject: [INERTIA-TALK:867] Re: On Wed, 11 Jan 1995, Intertex wrote: > And, a question: Does anybody known > others mailinglists that have something > to do with music, mods, GUS, etc? And > good FTPs? > Javier Sobrino Well There's always hornet.eng.ufl.edu FTP site for music/demo files. There's constantly files being put on there and it's sort of flooding my home dir, especially since SZ isn't properly working for me ;) -Mr. Data / Continuum ----------------- Date: Thu, 12 Jan 95 01:05 EET From: Hussam Eassa Subject: [INERTIA-TALK:868] Re: General MIDI On Wed, 11 Jan 1995, Shawn Poulson wrote: > On Mon, 9 Jan 1995, Hussam Eassa wrote: > > > > > BTW, I since got a GUS MAX (512k). I found out that Iplay won't play mods > > bigger than 500k with it. Yet CapaMOD has no such problem. I can play big > > mods without a problem. Anybody out there know what's going on? > > You can force IPlay to work with over 512k by setting ISetup to 1024k so > eventhough some samples may get chopped off from the missing GUS memory > when loading up a >500k mod. CapaMOD has no such memory checking > restriction. > > I upgraded my vanilla GUS to 1024k (from 512k) for $26 using standard > DRAM and now everything works. 512k wasn't too bad but 1024k is better... > > -Mr. Data / Continuum > I know you're right, I'm waiting for my upgrade chip to arrive. It just wanted to understand how CapaMOD was doing it. ======================== Sam eassa@earth.execpc.com ======================== ----------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jan 95 21:46 EET From: Shawn Poulson Subject: [INERTIA-TALK:863] Re: Inertia Module Editor On Mon, 9 Jan 1995, ticket 51081 wrote: > I wonder when is the Inertia Module Editor will come out? I currently > using the Scream Tracker 3.2 but it kinna suck. Downgrade to ST3.01, 3.2 is way too buggy to be half-productive. At least that's what my group composer says and I can see it for myself. -Mr. Data / Continuum ----------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jan 95 21:48 EET From: rkornilo@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Ryan Korniloff) Subject: [INERTIA-TALK:864] Re: General MIDI > You could. Jensi was answering a thread where we were discussing the use > of more than one sound card in the same PC. I was describing a potential > problem with getting free resources (DMA/IRQ) to get a GUS to live with a > PAS-16. Someone suggested that I get rid of the PAS-16. That is what > Jensi was responding to. > > BTW, I since got a GUS MAX (512k). I found out that Iplay won't play mods > bigger than 500k with it. Yet CapaMOD has no such problem. I can play big > mods without a problem. Anybody out there know what's going on? > Just for the record... I have both a GUS and an SBPro in my machine. My GUS is at port 250, IRQ 5, DMA 7 and my Sound Bastard Pro is at 220, IRQ 7, DMA 1. The only problem I've ever had is when I tried to install the GUS for the first time I just couldn't get it to initialize. So I took out my SBPro and installed the GUS by itself first. When I got it working right (which was easy at that point) I put the SBPro back in and havn't had any conflict related problems since. I've even used the SBPro with the GUS emulating the Sound Canvas on a number of games including Lands Of Lore and TIE Fighter. I kept the SBPro because, we all know, the GUS emulation for SB sux.. -- Ryan Korniloff -- rkornilo@nyx10.cs.du.edu ----------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jan 95 21:49 EET From: Hussam Eassa Subject: [INERTIA-TALK:865] Re: Support for AWE PLEASE! On Thu, 5 Jan 1995, JOHN COCHRAN/COMPUTER DEMI-GOD wrote: > How soon before we can expect to see support for the AWE32?? It would > be REALLY nice to be able to load the mod into the ram on the AWE. It works > now in SB 16 mode, but I know it would sound better it you had AWE32 > specific support! > > Thanks > > John > I *strongly* second that motion. AWE-32 support is well overdue. ======================== Sam eassa@earth.execpc.com ======================== ----------------- Date: Thu, 12 Jan 95 05:28 EET From: Bryce Penberthy Subject: [INERTIA-TALK:869] Re: One of the best FTP sites for the newest GUS demos/music is hornet.eng.ufl.edu. I believe there's a Gravis distribution site at wuarchive.wustl.edu in systems/msdos/ultrasound/gravis. (I'm not sure if that directory is *exactly* correct, but it's probably pretty close) On Wed, 11 Jan 1995, Intertex wrote: > > And, a question: Does anybody known > others mailinglists that have something > to do with music, mods, GUS, etc? And > good FTPs? > > Thanks. Later! > > Javier Sobrino > > ---- , , _ (\____/) [ ] (_oo_) ( ) (O) *-*-* "DEEP HURTING! DEEP HURTING!!!! *-*-* |>| __||__ \) __/===\__ []/______\[] / Bryce Penberthy //| o=o |\\ / \______/ \/ crazyguy@lc.lindenwood.edu <] | o=o | [> / /__\ \=====/ (\ /____\ / / | \ \ (Tom Servo by Brian Heil ) <_________> ----------------- Date: Thu, 12 Jan 95 06:18 EET From: ammirata@conicit.ve (Kenneth Isaacs.) Subject: [INERTIA-TALK:870] FT203 Wooa FT203 is out and have a lot of bugs fixed like stereo, i can sample now with my sbpro and have a looooot of efects and panning, instruments libraries, effects, etc. uff, i hope inertia tracker will be better ;-) But Fastracker is the best tracker for me now. ----------------- Date: Thu, 12 Jan 95 07:18 EET From: Juwan Subject: [INERTIA-TALK:871] Re: General MIDI On Wed, 11 Jan 1995, Ryan Korniloff wrote: > Just for the record... I have both a GUS and an SBPro in my machine. My > GUS is at port 250, IRQ 5, DMA 7 and my Sound Bastard Pro is at 220, IRQ > 7, DMA 1. > > The only problem I've ever had is when I tried to install the GUS for the > first time I just couldn't get it to initialize. So I took out my SBPro > and installed the GUS by itself first. When I got it working right > (which was easy at that point) I put the SBPro back in and havn't had any > conflict related problems since. I've even used the SBPro with the GUS > emulating the Sound Canvas on a number of games including Lands Of Lore > and TIE Fighter. I kept the SBPro because, we all know, the GUS emulation > for SB sux.. Nice to hear. I'm thinking of getting a GUS to go along with my Turtle Beach Maui and my SB16. Anyone know appwoxiamately how much a GUS would cost, and also the 768K of Dram? _ ___ _________ | | \ / | _ _ | __| | | | | | | | | | |____| /_\ |_| |_| |_| ----------------- Date: Thu, 12 Jan 95 07:19 EET From: Hussam Eassa Subject: [INERTIA-TALK:872] Re: General MIDI On Wed, 11 Jan 1995, Ryan Korniloff wrote: > Just for the record... I have both a GUS and an SBPro in my machine. My > GUS is at port 250, IRQ 5, DMA 7 and my Sound Bastard Pro is at 220, IRQ > 7, DMA 1. I used to use a SBP. I found it waaay too noisy. Heck, I could tell when my hard disk was accessing or the video changing just by listening to my speakers. But to your point, yes, you could make a second card coexist *usually*. As I said a while ago, the fun begins when you start adding stuff like a CD-ROM and a scanner or you use a SB-16 (which uses two DMA channels) and SCSI drive controllers that also need a DMA and an IRQ. Then the juggling act begins. > > The only problem I've ever had is when I tried to install the GUS for the > first time I just couldn't get it to initialize. So I took out my SBPro > and installed the GUS by itself first. When I got it working right > (which was easy at that point) I put the SBPro back in and havn't had any > conflict related problems since. I've even used the SBPro with the GUS > emulating the Sound Canvas on a number of games including Lands Of Lore > and TIE Fighter. I kept the SBPro because, we all know, the GUS emulation > for SB sux.. How true. My GUS MAX installed like a champ. I had to go three different motherboards though to find one with an active NMI so that megaem and sbos would work. I still avoid using these software drivers whenever possible. Sbos doesn't work half the time, and when it does, it sounds awful. I have yet to find a fairly new game that works with megaem (Doom, Doom2, Heretic, ROTT etc.) luckily they support the GUS directly and sound pretty decent. Let's face it. The GUS excells at playing mods. Everything else that it does is so-so. ======================== Sam eassa@earth.execpc.com ======================== > > -- Ryan Korniloff > -- rkornilo@nyx10.cs.du.edu > > ----------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jan 95 02:50 EET From: andrewm@io.org (Andrew McCallum) Subject: [INERTIA-TALK:877] Argh. New motherboard, new problems. I just upgraded my motherboard to a 486-33 (an AMD motherboard, I think, with AMI BIOS and an Intel chip (as far as I know, no strange flaws. :)). All (or most) of my other porgrams seem to work okay, but when I go to a graphical screen in iPLAY, it crashes but the music keeps playing. Anyone have any suggestions? It seems to be only with iPLAY. --- .oOo....... Andrew McCallum = Mental Floss [AXiDENTAL / KLF] ......oOo. .oO andrewm@io.org Music: ftp:freedom.wit.com/klf/songs/artists/andrewm Oo. oO http://www.io.org/~andrewm/me.html Fon: 905.884.3739 Fax: 905.508.1527 Oo. ----------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jan 95 02:56 EET From: Juwan Subject: [INERTIA-TALK:878] Re: General MIDI On Thu, 12 Jan 1995, Hussam Eassa wrote: > How true. My GUS MAX installed like a champ. I had to go three different > motherboards though to find one with an active NMI so that megaem and > sbos would work. I still avoid using these software drivers whenever > possible. Sbos doesn't work half the time, and when it does, it sounds > awful. I have yet to find a fairly new game that works with megaem (Doom, > Doom2, Heretic, ROTT etc.) luckily they support the GUS directly and > sound pretty decent. Let's face it. The GUS excells at playing mods. > Everything else that it does is so-so. How does it sound when playing MIDI? What is the limit on Sample RAM? _ ___ _________ | | \ / | _ _ | __| | | | | | | | | | |____| /_\ |_| |_| |_| ----------------- Date: Thu, 12 Jan 95 23:39 EET From: John Meacham Subject: [INERTIA-TALK:875] Re: Does anyone know a mailing list (or a usenet echo to a mailing list (i have no usenet)) that discusses DEMO's (besided DEMUAN from hornet) I am eespecially interested in one populated by coder type people... thanx for the help... RatsBane/Creation Anew ----------------- Date: Thu, 12 Jan 95 23:27 EET From: John Meacham Subject: [INERTIA-TALK:873] Re: Inertia Player sounds Hay all... I just got a GUS (Regular) to go with my SB16 (a GREAT combo BTW) and right now I am having the line-out of my gus go to the line in of my SB16, I would like to reverse this but i can't seem to find anything that will enable the GUS line-in on bootup...I wrote a small program to do it but it only works for the duration of the program... that way i can have Inertia running in a DOS window while OS/2 uses my SB16.... RatsBane/Creation Anew ----------------- Date: Thu, 12 Jan 95 23:33 EET From: John Meacham Subject: [INERTIA-TALK:874] Re: General MIDI >BTW, I since got a GUS MAX (512k). I found out that Iplay won't play >mods >bigger than 500k with it. Yet CapaMOD has no such problem. I can >play big >mods without a problem. Anybody out there know what's going on? It is because Iplay loads all of the samples into the cards RAM and sends commands to the GUS as what sample to play when while CapaMOD (i believe) is ablke to swap samples in and out of the 512k as they are needed in realtime... this ussually creates 'ultraclicks' but there are ways around them.... RatsBane/Creation Anew ----------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jan 95 05:11 EET From: Hussam Eassa Subject: [INERTIA-TALK:879] Re: General MIDI On Fri, 13 Jan 1995, Juwan wrote: > On Thu, 12 Jan 1995, Hussam Eassa wrote: > > > How true. My GUS MAX installed like a champ. I had to go three different > > motherboards though to find one with an active NMI so that megaem and > > sbos would work. I still avoid using these software drivers whenever > > possible. Sbos doesn't work half the time, and when it does, it sounds > > awful. I have yet to find a fairly new game that works with megaem (Doom, > > Doom2, Heretic, ROTT etc.) luckily they support the GUS directly and > > sound pretty decent. Let's face it. The GUS excells at playing mods. > > Everything else that it does is so-so. > > How does it sound when playing MIDI? What is the limit on Sample RAM? > It comes with 512k upgradable to 1Meg. Way too small IMHO. As far as MIDI playing, on a scale of 1-10 where a Turtle Beach Multisound or a Roland Sound Canvas is a 10, I would rate it a 5. I would rate the AWE-32 a 7. These numbers are my opinion based on personal experience with the cards mentioned. ======================== Sam eassa@earth.execpc.com ======================== ----------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jan 95 05:36 EET From: Shawn Poulson Subject: [INERTIA-TALK:880] Re: General MIDI On Thu, 12 Jan 1995, Hussam Eassa wrote: > I know you're right, I'm waiting for my upgrade chip to arrive. It just > wanted to understand how CapaMOD was doing it. CapaMOD just ignores any possibility that you may be out of GUS ram.. that's all. It just doesn't do any checking. -Mr. Data / Continuum ----------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jan 95 05:37 EET From: Shawn Poulson Subject: [INERTIA-TALK:881] Re: Support for AWE PLEASE! On Wed, 11 Jan 1995, Hussam Eassa wrote: > I *strongly* second that motion. AWE-32 support is well overdue. The AWE32 is just a GUS wanna be, look at the specs, exactly the same as the GUS but beefed up in RAM. Maybe it's me, but I HATE Creative Labs. -Mr. Data / Continuum ----------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jan 95 05:43 EET From: Shawn Poulson Subject: [INERTIA-TALK:882] Re: Inertia Player sounds On Thu, 12 Jan 1995, John Meacham wrote: > Hay all... I just got a GUS (Regular) to go with my SB16 (a GREAT > combo BTW) and right now I am having the line-out of my gus go to the > line in of my SB16, I would like to reverse this but i can't seem to > find anything that will enable the GUS line-in on bootup...I wrote a > small program to do it but it only works for the duration of the > program... that way i can have Inertia running in a DOS window while > OS/2 uses my SB16.... > > RatsBane/Creation Anew I'm almost positive ULTRINIT has an option to enable line-in and mic-in. -Mr. Data / Continuum ----------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jan 95 01:41 EET From: Hussam Eassa Subject: [INERTIA-TALK:876] Re: General MIDI On Thu, 12 Jan 1995, John Meacham wrote: > > BTW, I since got a GUS MAX (512k). I found out that Iplay won't play > > mods bigger than 500k with it. Yet CapaMOD has no such problem. I can > > play big mods without a problem. Anybody out there know what's going > > on? > > > It is because Iplay loads all of the samples into the cards RAM and > sends commands to the GUS as what sample to play when while CapaMOD > (i believe) is ablke to swap samples in and out of the 512k as they > are needed in realtime... this ussually creates 'ultraclicks' but > there are ways around them.... > > RatsBane/Creation Anew Interesting. The only time I got UltraClicks (tm) with my GUS MAX was when I turned up the mixer volume too much higher than 0 dB. If I keep the setting at 0 to 3 dB I (so far) do not get the problem. The clicks are there whether I use Iplay or CappaMOD (with the mixer cranked up). ======================== Sam eassa@earth.execpc.com ======================== ----------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jan 95 07:05 EET From: Hussam Eassa Subject: [INERTIA-TALK:883] Re: Support for AWE PLEASE! On Fri, 13 Jan 1995, Shawn Poulson wrote: > On Wed, 11 Jan 1995, Hussam Eassa wrote: > > I *strongly* second that motion. AWE-32 support is well overdue. > > The AWE32 is just a GUS wanna be, look at the specs, exactly the same as > the GUS but beefed up in RAM. Maybe it's me, but I HATE Creative Labs. > ^^^^ Why. A lot of GUS owners flame the AWE-32. Generally, they give the same reason you do. I own an AWE-32 and a GUS MAX. Believe me, except for the GUS's mod playing, (the AWE-32 has only one *native* player at the moment), the AWE-32 runs rings around the GUS. Now, just because you "hate" Creative is no reason to disregard the technical merits of the AWE-32. ======================== Sam eassa@earth.execpc.com ======================== > -Mr. Data / Continuum > > ----------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jan 95 07:07 EET From: Hussam Eassa Subject: [INERTIA-TALK:884] Re: General MIDI On Fri, 13 Jan 1995, Shawn Poulson wrote: > On Thu, 12 Jan 1995, Hussam Eassa wrote: > > I know you're right, I'm waiting for my upgrade chip to arrive. It just > > wanted to understand how CapaMOD was doing it. > > CapaMOD just ignores any possibility that you may be out of GUS ram.. > that's all. It just doesn't do any checking. But the mods sounded right. Wouldn't they sound funny if samples were missing or truncated? ======================== Sam eassa@earth.execpc.com ======================== > > -Mr. Data / Continuum > > ----------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jan 95 10:17 EET From: rkornilo@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Ryan Korniloff) Subject: [INERTIA-TALK:885] Re: Inertia Player sounds > > Hay all... I just got a GUS (Regular) to go with my SB16 (a GREAT > > combo BTW) and right now I am having the line-out of my gus go to the > > line in of my SB16, I would like to reverse this but i can't seem to > > find anything that will enable the GUS line-in on bootup...I wrote a > > small program to do it but it only works for the duration of the > > program... that way i can have Inertia running in a DOS window while > > OS/2 uses my SB16.... > > > > RatsBane/Creation Anew > > I'm almost positive ULTRINIT has an option to enable line-in and mic-in. > Just try ULTRINIT -? That will give you a list of all available switches. -- Ryan Korniloff -- rkornilo@nyx10.cs.du.edu ----------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jan 95 10:30 EET From: rkornilo@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Ryan Korniloff) Subject: [INERTIA-TALK:886] Re: Support for AWE PLEASE! > On Fri, 13 Jan 1995, Shawn Poulson wrote: > > > On Wed, 11 Jan 1995, Hussam Eassa wrote: > > > I *strongly* second that motion. AWE-32 support is well overdue. > > > > The AWE32 is just a GUS wanna be, look at the specs, exactly the same as > > the GUS but beefed up in RAM. Maybe it's me, but I HATE Creative Labs. > > ^^^^ > > Why. A lot of GUS owners flame the AWE-32. Generally, they give the same > reason you do. I own an AWE-32 and a GUS MAX. Believe me, except for the > GUS's mod playing, (the AWE-32 has only one *native* player at the > moment), the AWE-32 runs rings around the GUS. Now, just because you > "hate" Creative is no reason to disregard the technical merits of the > AWE-32. > I hate 'em too, and I'll tell you why.. I can't remember EXACTLY what they did, but it was something to the effect of. They started writing into their drivers (released to other software companies) the ability for the driver to recognise a sound card that was a cloan or 'compatible'. If so, the driver wouldn't work. Talk about bad business practices. Creative Losers (my nickname for them) also tried to collect royalties for EVERY soundcard that claimed compatibility w/ sound bastard cards. What a bunch of assholes. I think the single biggest problem with the GUS is it NEEDs more RAM. Give it, like, 2 SIMM slots with the ability to read 2 16MB SIMMS and you've got a sound card that can access 32MB. That would be cool. -- Ryan Korniloff -- rkornilo@nyx10.cs.du.edu -----------------