FORUM: Private E-Mail HOST: LEADING DATE: Feb-14-95 6:19am MSG: 183 PVT FROM: Digestifier TO: Dbn SUBJECT: Phish Digest #598 úÿ(Continued from last message) GMT/5:00 p.m. EST on 13 February (7:00 AM Japan standard -- Feb. 14). Messages arriving here before 13 February will be held for Joe to disk. Respond thread: POST OFFICE JOE. Now is your chance to complain about the U.S. Postal Service or its rates; explain the worth of the Internet, or thank him for the stamps he sells. Whatever. We're talking volume here. Nasty limericks will also be accepted at this address. Remember to circulate this message to all who may have fun with it. Good luck! Lynn Kippax, Jr. (Kip) 73557.2627@compuserve.com Thread Title: POST OFFICE JOE ============= Kip is a friend of mine who lives in Kennebunkport, Maine (where I am from). He is a movie-maker, and my soon to be uncle (maybe).....drop a message by to him and the postman if you feel like it....definately send this message on to other people who might get a laugh out of it.........rob underwood ------------------------------ From: edinel@leland.Stanford.EDU (Edward Price Dinel II) Subject: Re: Help Shelly make a tape Date: 13 Feb 1995 17:18:52 -0800 In article , B.P. Hamilton wrote: >Howdy! > While we're on the topic, does anyone know why *any* cd has this >sort of time restriction? I mean, if you can put the entire Encyclopedia >Britannica on one disc, why can't music discs be longer? Does sound take >up more space than written word? Actually, yes. The amount of information stored on a CD for sound is in 8 bits. This means that 40000 times a second (the accepted standard), the player checks the cd to see what voltage level it's supposed to send to the speakers. Now, the information of what voltage levels are _possible_ is the 8-bit part. There's 8 possible spots along a continuum of voltage values that can be sent to the speakers. This is where the lower sound quality that people sometimes mention with CDs comes from. Text, however, well.....the ASCII code for text uses only about 200 total numbers assigned to characters. ("A" is 65, for example.) If the entire encyclopedia were stored in ASCII (it's not, but it makes it easier), it would only require ~6 bit data storage. Significantly smaller. > Someone once told me that when cds first came out, the >manufacturers needed to set out some sort of guidelines for the length. >They asked someone what the longest piece of music was, and were told >that it was a classical piece that spanned about 75 minutes, so that was >the length that they chose. I have absolutely no idea if this is true - >any ideas or info would be helpful. What I've heard is that Sony engineers REALLY loved Beethoven's 9th, so they fit the CD to that. Just as I understand it. I'm not paid to know any of this, so for god's sake don't quote me. / / /| --Eddie / | "wa" | +---+ edinel@leland.stanford.edu ---+--- | | /|\ | | "Duct tape is like the Force-- / | \ +---+ It has a light side, a dark side, / | \ and it binds the universe together" | --Unknown ------------------------------ From: offbeat@new-orleans.Neosoft.com (OffBeat Magazine) Crossposted-To: alt.music.independent,alt.music.soul,rec.music.bluenote,rec.music.bluenote.blues ,rec.music.funky,rec.music.gdead,neworleans.general Subject: OffBeat Magazine survey #1 (Mardi Gras, Jazz Fest, street musicians) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 95 22:52:39 CST Please take a minute to complete this survey, and mail it to OffBeat at: OffBeat@new-orleans.neosoft.com The results of these surveys will be incorporated into a column in OffBeat. Also, keep your eyes open for an OffBeat WWW page that should be up in a month or two. Once the page is up, the column will appear on it, along with other clips from the magazine. The column may also be posted to the newsgroups, depending on the interest of the readers and on the publisher's willingness to allow it. Thank you for your time. Sincerely, Alex Oliver,New Media Consultant, OffBeat magazine 1. Where do you live? 2. Have you ever visited New Orleans? [ ] Yes, most recent visit?: [ ] No 3. Have you ever been to: [ ] Mardi Gras [ ] New Orleans Jazz and Heritage Festival [ ] both If both, did you prefer: [ ] Mardi Gras [ ] New Orleans Jazz and Heritage Festival Why: 4. Currently there is a movement by the City of New Orleans to eliminate street musicians from Royal St. and other parts of the French Quarter. Do you think the street musicians should be eliminated from the Quarter? [ ] Yes [ ] No Why or why not?: 5. What New Orleans band have you most recently seen in concert or heard on a recording? Thanks again for your time. -- Catch y'all on the rebound, --Alex Oliver, New Media Consultant, OffBeat magazine harpua@new-orleans.Neosoft.com OR offbeat@new-orleans.Neosoft.com ------------------------------ From: MWRowe@LBL.gov (O C Beast) Subject: Re: Help Shelly make a tape Date: 14 Feb 1995 05:08:16 GMT In article , "B.P. Hamilton" wrote: > While we're on the topic, does anyone know why *any* cd has this > sort of time restriction? I mean, if you can put the entire Encyclopedia > Britannica on one disc, why can't music discs be longer? Does sound take > up more space than written word? > Someone once told me that when cds first came out, the > manufacturers needed to set out some sort of guidelines for the length. > They asked someone what the longest piece of music was, and were told > that it was a classical piece that spanned about 75 minutes, so that was > the length that they chose. I have absolutely no idea if this is true - > any ideas or info would be helpful. > > ex-Mitch I've also heard a variation on this. The way I heard it, the maximum length of a CD was chosen to be 84 minutes so that Beethoven's Ninth Symphony, which I believe is his longest, would fit on a single disc. I suspect there were also marketing considerations in this decision-- if they had made the length 90 minutes then most double albums would fit on a single disc. But people have less problem with paying, say, $28 for two discs than for one, even if they have exactly the same music on them. Which is weird, 'cause it's a pain in the ass to have to get up in the middle of an album to put on another disc!! :-) Ahhh, wonderful capitalism.... The Beast (MWRowe@LBL.gov) -- "I drifted where the current chose afloat upon my back and if perchance a NEWT slimed by, I'd stuff it in my sack..." -Bill Clinton's response to the Contract with America? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 21:10:15 EST From: Subject: Re: Sentences out of song titles Is the Diagram a setlist to one of those damned CD bootlegs? In my day, we didn't have any damn bootlegs? We just saw shows... and we got so drunk that we didn't even remember it, and we liked it! Sorry ------------------------------ From: phish@wsnet.com Subject: shows for blanks offer closed Date: 14 Feb 1995 03:30:58 GMT the title says it all i will have another offer soon though pete ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 21:18:27 EST From: Subject: Re: Why people hate Sample I happen to think, as "overplayed" as the song may be, it is an excellent example of Phish's ever-maturing SONGWRITING skills... not particularly instrumentally, mind you, but in the working within a traditional framework of a song and making it "Phishy", if you will. The lyrics, IMHO, are beautiful, some of Marshall's best, and to me, they're not "relentlessly silly" ;-)... (nothing wrong with that sometimes, mind you ;-) ) but ambiguous yet evocative (my interpretation of the song has much to do with betrayal, but I've heard it interpreted as a song about OUI or DWI)... Sample and "Lifeboy" are terrific examples of stellar WRITING... There is poetry there that adds much to my enjoyment of Phish, much as the more "serious" aspects of Rift did. What can I say, I'm a Dylan fan... I like somber subjects sometimes... ;-) Adam ------------------------------ From: jsfrumki@mailbox.syr.edu (Judith S. Frumkin) Subject: DMB post-party @ Syracuse Date: 14 Feb 1995 05:02:47 GMT Reply-To: jsfrumki@mailbox.syr.edu Any Syracuse types that are planning on hitting the Dave Matthews Band show next Monday, After the show, there's a reliable-rumor floating around that they'll be playing with Jamie Notarthomas at Styleens (21+). Dave played on Jamie's last disk, (along with Trey) and it should be quite a fine show. I shan't be there ;-) I'll be skiing in Tahoe. Anyone know of any good clubs at Tahoe? :-) Dan ------------------------------ From: editor@mag-browse.com Crossposted-To: alt.music.alternative,alt.music.nin,rec.music.gdead,rec.arts.movies,alt.tv.x-fil es,rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5 Subject: Updated: TABLES-OF-CONTENTS 35 Music&Ent.Mags Date: 14 Feb 1995 00:00:03 -0500 Reply-To: editor@mag-browse.com New on the Net! The latest front covers and tables-of-contents for 35 coolest music and entertainment magazines listing almost 500 new stories and reports --- Updated every Monday --- World Wide Web: http://www.mag-browse.com Gopher: mag-browse.com ------------------------------ ** FOR YOUR REFERENCE ** Requests to be added to or deleted from the Phish mailing list and requests for old digests to be resent (please provide digest #s) must be sent to phish-request@phish.net. 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