TELECOM Digest Tue, 6 Dec 94 14:23:00 CST Volume 14 : Issue 441 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Internet (was Re: MCI's Announcement) (Ajay Shah) Re: Pager Advice Wanted (Andrew Laurence) Call For Papers: ICCC95 (Lee JaiYong) Re: Emergency Numbers in Various Countries (Yves Blondeel) Re: WilTel Ignores *67 For Caller ID, Also Incorrect Billing (Glen Roberts) Re: 911 From Unactivated Cell Phone? (Shawn Gordhamer) TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of public service systems and networks including Compuserve and America On Line. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. Subscriptions are available at no charge to qualified organizations and individual readers. 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How fast the transfer takes place is Fixed rate access is also music to the ears of _paying_ customers. Look at the success of netcom, for example. Internet providers that meter by the hour are going to find life very difficult. So I don't see how the likes of MCI can dislodge fixed rate access. > The commercializers would like to begin charging you for each and > every item you download or utilize. As carriers, they would do this by This is technically infeasible if a Internet provider is giving out IP connectivity. If lusers are stupid enough to buy some shrink wrapped web browser running under MSW, which might support some ridiculous metering-per-use concepts, then it's their funeral. Internet providers who sell such applications won't be hurting "our Internet". > But what is more sinister involves a redefinition of the Internet > structure from peer-to-peer to client/server. The commercializers see That is not really true. The basic protocols, and their symmetry between peers, are very much in place. The only new twist is idiocy like shrink-wrapped MS Windows applications which let you access the net without knowing anything. > make money is with such a device. If it is necessary to kill the > Internet in order to save it by turning it into a gigantic Prodigy or > CompuServe, then the era is at an end. The great Information > Superhighway that we have been looking forward to will be nothing more > than 500 cable channels and a dozen shopping channels. >> it. My main concern is that those of us who have over the years helped >> to make the net what it is today not be forgotten. PAT] I have some slightly heretical opinions on this: a) I think VOD is much oversold. It takes T1 lines to the home to deliver VOD, and that is some ways off. The new medium that is the Internet is capable of a whole lot of wonderful things; it is not clear that a server offering a "family ties" episode of your choice is the smartest thing that we can do (in a money-maximising sense) with something like the Internet. Instead the "killer app" is likely to be applications like the web, which work _now_ off 14.4k lines. I think multi user games have a great future. When you can play multi user games, I think you won't want to see conventional hollywood programming. In that sense I think the threat of the internet turning into cableTV- just-VOD is overrated. b) I think the greatest threat is the creeping encroachment of Microsoft into internet protocols. Microsoft is trying to basically ignore the RFC procedure in connection with internet protocols, and I think that is terribly dangerous. Similarly, at a technical level, if protocols like SMTP and HTTP evolve in the direction of a commercial internet, then that will be quite sad. There is a message for us: if you care about this, then participate in standards processes! Otherwise we'll have gunk like Microsoft breathing down our necks. c) Another threat is the swamping of the original Internet crowd by the great unwashed masses. I'm quite elitist, and I think that an internet built of people from the great universities and research institutions was a Good thing. But exactly how will this swamping occur? Anyway we're not going to have these newbies participating in things like comp.dcom.telecom Answer: we're going to have them on groups like alt.sex! :-) Conclusion: the great unwashed masses will "spoil" some recreational parts of the net for us. But the more fascinating recreational parts, like comp.unix.wizards, are unlikely to be hurt. I full well expect the origins of the Internet will be shrouded in mystery and mostly forgotten by "the masses". How many people using PCs know about the noble origins of MS-DOS? :-) There will always be a hacker community which will have a different view of the world, but that community will increasingly become a tiny minority on the net. I guess that's okay. ans ------------------------------ From: laurence@netcom.com (Andrew Laurence) Subject: Re: Pager Advice Wanted Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 00:38:26 GMT brunelle@u.washington.edu (Russell Brunelle) writes: > It would have to have a monthly fee that's very low (I don't mind if > the unit is expensive to buy, because I'm paying for that, but she > will be paying the monthly fee so that should be QUITE low), a display > that can light up so you can read it when it's dark, the ability to > vibrate (or do something quietly) instead of beep so it doesn't bug > people, and the ability to store a few numbers in case several people > call in a row. I pay $8.50 per month for unlimited use on a six-month contract. I live in the San Francisco Bay Area. I bought a used Motorola Bravo numeric only display pager for $25 from someone on the Net, and it's worked fine. I broke the belt clip, replaced it, and later broke the flange where the clip fits into the pager housing, so I bought a new housing for $10, and now I have a cool-looking magenta translucent housing (you can see the "guts"). > I would also like (and perhaps here is where some advice would come > in) the ability to send some sort of message with the phone number. > This could be as simple as the pager allowing me to type more than > seven digits so the first seven digits would be the phone number she > should call and the rest are a code indicating generally what the call > is about and how urgent it is (i.e. 44 for it's just to chat, 77 for > the cat died, etc.). Is there some way to type a space or dash > character so the person can tell where the phone number ends and the > code begins? Pressing the * key on a touch-tone phone will generate a hyphen on most pagers. It certainly works on mine. My carrier is PageNet, and I believe they have an office in the Seattle area. > Also, wasn't there a book published recently with three digit codes > for various messages? Does anyone know what this was called or where > I could find something like this? I am not aware of this, but it sounds like a good idea. > What sort of pager should I get, and where could I get it the most > inexpensively? Is there some neat new feature I should look for in a > pager? Motorola Bravo, Bravo Plus, and Bravo Express tend to be reliable and easily affordable. Some resellers offer a pager cheap if you sign up for service. Also, you can usually buy a pager and apply for service at Price Costco warehouses. Andrew Laurence laurence@netcom.com | | Certified NetWare Administrator (CNA) Oakland, California, USA | | CD-ROM Networking Consultant Pacific Standard Time (GMT-8) | | Phone: (510) 547-6647 Pager: (510) 308-1903 Fax: (510) 547-8002 ------------------------------ From: jyl@yiscgw.yonsei.ac.kr (Lee JaiYong) Subject: Call For Papers: ICCC95 Date: 6 Dec 1994 11:52:17 GMT Organization: Yonsei University Following is the SECOND CALL FOR PAPER for ICCC'95(revised version) to be held in Seoul Korea 1995. Publicity Chair, ICCC'95 ----------cut here----------- CALL FOR PAPERS ICCC '95 "Information Highways for a Smaller World & Better Living" Seoul, Korea August 21 - 24, 1995 The ICCC, the International Council for Computer Communication (ICCC), founded in 1972, is an Affiliate Member of the International Federation for Information Processing (IFIP). Its purposes are to foster: scientific research and the development of computer communication; progress in the evaluation of applications of computer communication to educational, scientific, medical, economic, legal, cultural and other peaceful purposes; study of the potential social and economic impacts of computer communcation and of policies which influence those impacts. This 12th conference aims at providing a forum to exchange ideas, discuss key issues and to present the late research results for "Information Highways for a Smaller World & Better Living." The main program includes technical presentations, invited talks, tutorials, and technical visits. TOPICS : Areas of interest include but are not limited to . Strategies, Policies, and User . Wireless Communications Perspectives of Information . Intelligent Networks Superhighways . Personal Communication Systems . Social and Economical Impacts . Broadband Communication of Information Superhighways . ATM Switching . Computer Communication for . International Emergencies Developing Countries . Distance Learning . Network Planning . Optical Communications . Security and Privacy in Computer . Multimedia Communication and Communications its Applications . Evolution towards the High-Speed . High-Speed Protocols Networks including Frame Relay . Network Management and SMDS . Protocol Engineering . Packet Radio Technologies . Satellite Communications SUBMISSION OF PAPERS Prospective authors should send 5 copies of a full paper to the following address: ICCC'95 Dr. Seon Jong Chung ICCC'95 Technical Program Chairman ETRI, Yusong P.O.Box 106, Taejon, Korea, 305-606 Tel: +82-42-860-8630 Fax: +82-42-860-6465 E-mail: iccc95@giant.etri.re.kr The manuscript should not exceed 4000 words in length and should include author's name, affiliation, and addresses(telephone, e-mail, fax), and 150-200 words abstracts in the title page. Also, authors are encouraged to send a Postscript version of their full paper to the Technical Program Committee Chairman by e-mail iccc95@giant.etri.re.kr |-------------------------------| | Important Dates | | Submission of Paper | | February 1st, 1995 | | Notification of Acceptance | | May 1st, 1995 | | Camera-ready Papers | | June 15th, 1995 | |-------------------------------| Sponsored by The International Council for Computer Communication Hosted by Electronics and Telecommunications Research Institute Korea Information Science Society Under the Patronage of Ministry of Communication, The Republic of Korea Conference Governor Ronald P.Uhlig, Northern Telecom, U.S.A. Conference Organizing Committee Chair : Chongsun Hwang, KISS, Korea Co-Chair : Seungtaik Yang, ETRI, Korea Local Arrangement Dongho Lee, Kwangwoon Unvi., Korea Publication Keosang Lee, Dacom, Korea Publicity Jaiyong Lee, Yon-Sei Univ., Korea Registration Samyoung Suh, NCA, Korea Treasurer Seungkyu Park, Ajou Univ., Korea Tutorial Sunshin An, Korea Univ., Korea Social Program Nosik Kim, KTRC, Korea Secretariate Yanghee Choi, SNU, Korea Jinpyo Hong, ETRI, Korea Technical Program Chair : Seonjong Chung, ETRI, Korea Co-Chairs : Serge Fdida, MASI, France Nicholas Georganas, Univ. of Ottawa, Canada Roger Needham, Univ. of Cambridge, U.K. Otto Spaniol, Aachen Tech. Univ., Germany Hideyoshi Tominaga, Waseda Univ., Japan Pramode Verma, AT&T, U.S.A. Members : Sunshin An, Korea Univ., Korea Yanghee Choi, SNU, Korea Jin Pyo Hong, ETRI/PEC, Korea Byungchul Shin, KAIST, Korea Yongjin Park, Hanyang Univ., Korea Donggyoo Kim, Ajou Univ., Korea Seungkyu Park, Ajou Univ., Korea Dongho Lee, Kwangwoon Univ., Korea Kwangsue Chung, Kwangwoon Univ., Korea Daeyoung Kim, Cheoungnam National Univ., Korea Ilyoung Chung, ETRI, Korea Chimoon Han, ETRI, Korea Woojik Chon, ETRI, Korea Hoon Choi, ETRI, Korea Jaiyong Lee, Yonsei Univ., Korea Tadao Saito, Tokyo Univ., Japan Tahahiko Kamae, HP Lab., Japan Reigo Yatsuboshi, Fujitsu Lab., Japan Kinji Ono, NACSIS, Japan Michel Diaz, LAAS-CNRS, France Christophie Diot, INRIA, France Jean-Yves Le Boudec, IBM, Zurich Lab., Swiss Georgio Ventre, Univ. di Napoli, France David Hutchison, Lanchaster Univ., U.K. Augusto Casaca, INES,Portugal Martina Zitterbart, Univ. of Karlsruhe, Germany Ulf Koerner, Lund Univ., Sweden David J. Farber, Univ. of Pennsylvania, USA Reg A. Kaenel, Marcicopa-County Comm. College, USA Ira Cotton, USA Martin E. Silveretoin, USA Albert Kuendig, Swiss Federal Inst. of Tech., Swiss úÿ ------------------------------ From: Yves Blondeel Subject: Re: Emergency Numbers in Various Countries Date: 6 Dec 1994 19:48:18 GMT Organization: FUNDP, Namur, Belgium Kimmo.Ketolainen@utu.fi (Kimmo Ketolainen) wrote: > Do you have any other to add, Pat? -- list of emergency numbers. The European Union has adopted 112 as a single European emergency call number. This was done by Council Decision 91/396/EEC of 29 July 1991. Article 1 of the Decision states that: Member States shall ensure that the number 112 is introduced in public telephone networks as well as in future integrated services digital networks and public mobile services, as the single European emergency call number. The single European emergency call number shall be introduced in parallel with any other national emergency call numbers, where this seems appropriate. Article 2 of the Decision states that: The single European emergency call number shall be introduced by 31 December 1992 at the latest, except... (exceptions to be justified) .. Note: if exceptions are used, the new date must be no later than 31 December 1996. Yves Blondeel yves.blondeel@fundp.ac.be ------------------------------ From: fd@wwa.com (Glen L. Roberts) Subject: Re: WilTel Ignores *67 For Caller ID, Also Incorrect Billing Date: 6 Dec 1994 20:04:31 GMT Organization: WorldWide Access - Chicago Area Internet Services 312- 282-8605 Glen L. Roberts (fd@wwa.com) wrote: > CID Tech/INSG (dreuben@netcom.com) wrote: >> I just noticed that WilTel has turned on Caller ID signaling from CT >> to points outward, such as New York and New Jersey. > You can always check by calling 10555-1-708-356-9646 ... also, preceed > it with the *67 ... You will hear whatever Caller-ID Info AmeriTech > passes on. > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I got some interesting results from > trying out the above number in different ways. When I simply dialed > it locally (I am in 708) as 356-9646 it responded with a message > giving me the (non-published) name and number on my phone. When I Even though I log this information analyze what areas supply what information, it is not sold, or used for any marketing purposes (you gotta leave a message if you want any more information...). I am quite happy if people just use it to expirement with the phone system. > dialed it with *67 first, then it responded by telling me I had > pressed that code to hade my name and number. In both instances > after a short blurb about Caller-ID and privacy, it then went on > to say if calling from a fax machine to press 3, otherwise to begin > speaking and leave a message. But ... I tried some other things as > well: Dialing 10555-356-9646 (remember, I am in 708 so don't use Interestingly, Wiltel doesn't pass caller-id OUT OF illinois. For example, when I called my Dad in Michigan, he doesn't get my number (Wiltel is my normal LD carrier). Yet, if an associate in CA who also uses Wiltel calls my dad in Michigan... caller-id is passed. Wiltel in Michigan (313 and 616 but not 517) does passed Caller-ID OUT. > it in the dialing string) must have given his system some kind of > different reaction since instead of the opening spiel about Caller- ID, > and/or lack of same by dialing *67 it answered immediatly with the > message about 'if from a fax machine dial 3 ....', in other words > in the middle of the original message. I also tried dialing to it > via a WATS extender I am authorized to use in California. That is, > I dialed the 800 number for my contact in California then outdialed > back to 708-356-9646. That time Glen's machine answered the same > way, but cutting in at the middle of the message telling me to > 'dial 3 if calling from a fax machine ...'. So apparently if the > Caller-ID he gets is 'outside area' he chooses not to give has Some others have commented on that ... and soon, it will have a message for "out of area." I get no information about *67 if it is out of area. When you outdialed back to 708-356-9646 did you do it through Wiltel (10555)? If not, I doubt I'd get a number, as Wiltel seems to be the only carrier currently passing caller-ID. (incidentally, I have gotten names from 313, 216 and a couple other area codes). > spiel at all ... and by using 10555 in front of the seven digit > number -- even though local to me -- apparently no ID of any kind > was passed as far as Glen. Then just on a lark I tried one final > combination, dialing *67-10555-356-9646. That also cut me into the > middle of his message (press 3 now). I am surprised he does not > have some sort of greeting for that condition (outside of area) > as well, since he provides for the other two conditions. PAT] According to Chris Cappuccio, you can fake out the number it gets: Call 1-800-288-2880 Enter 616-334-3257-94 (or any number of a COCOT phone that uses Wiltel/Encore) Enter YOUR calling card number. Enter (708) 356-9646 when it asks for a number to call. You should hear 616-334-3257 (or the COCOT phone number), not the number you are calling from. Glen L. Roberts, Editor, Full Disclosure Host Full Disclosure Live (WWCR 5,065 khz - Sundays 7pm central) email fd@wwa.com for catalog on privacy & surveillance. Does 10555-1-708-356-9646 give you an "ANI" readback? With name? email for uuencoded .TIF of T-Shirt Honoring the FBI Remember, fd _IS FOR_ Full Disclosure! ------------------------------ From: shawnlg@netcom.com (Shawn Gordhamer) Subject: Re: 911 From Unactivated Cell Phone? Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 19:26:53 GMT John Higdon writes: > Not in California. Service providers and phone vendors are > specifically prohibited from in any way linking the sale of the phone > to the activation of service. Although a number of dealers have tried > some sleazy tricks to avoid selling phones without activation ("sorry, > I just looked and we are out of stock -- someone must not have taken > the last one out of the computer..."), I have inside information that > even as we speak there are some undercover efforts to bring the big > foot down on them. So what great "wrong" was the CA politicians trying to rectify by passing this law? It seems like this is hurting, rather than helping consumers. I'm glad I'm not in CA (for a lot of reasons)! Shawn Gordhamer shawnlg@netcom.com ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V14 #441 ******************************